Sunday, October 30, 2011

October 30, 2011, Bob Brinker's Moneytalk: Summary, Commentary, Excerpts and Discussions

October 30, 2011....Bob Brinker hosted Moneytalk today...............(comments

 STOCK MARKET....Bob said: "The S&P 500, already in October -- one day remaining, is up 13.6% for the month...It's the biggest monthly gain in 37 years. You have to go back to 1974 to find a monthly gain comparable. It has been an awesome stock market rally."

(BOB'S) ECONOMIC REPORTS FROM LAST WEEK
DURABLE GOODS ORDERS = Not including transportation, up 1.7% for September.

NEW HOME SALES = 5.7%  -- A bounce in new home sales. (Honey EC: This is after four straight months of declines and a home-builders cut in prices.)

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT...Bob said: "We mentioned last weekend, I thought you could see a GDP number of 2 1/2%, and we got that...in the third quarter....That was almost double the second quarter of 1.3% annual rate."

INFLATION...Bob said: "The Federal Reserves' favorite core inflation gauge, up only 1/10 of 1% year-over-year, it's only ahead 1.6%"

Honey EC: Bob is referring to the Personal Expenditure Price Index which excludes both food and energy.  The headline number rose 0.2% in September and has increased 2.9% over the past twelve months.

RECESSION OR NO RECESSION? Bob said: "The stock market was not waiting for any of this news to come out (good economic reports)....Anticipating that those who say the United States is going back into  recession are wrong. That is what the stock market anticipated here in the month of October. Investors heard all the waling and crying and bashing the US economy that came from certain economists several weeks ago. They took it all in, they looked at the numbers and they said, you know something, these people look like they are simply wrong on the US economy when they say we're back into recession. That's the data said this week, and it said it loudly and clearly. With a 2 1/2 growth in the third quarter and with consumers continuing to show resilience in their spending patterns, the market spoke loudly and clearly this week, saying that those who are forecasting a return to recessionary times in the US are off base and tagged out."

Honey EC: This is the third time that Bob has bashed Economic Cycle Research Institute’s Lakshman Achuthan (and others calling for a recession). Please read my article about it here.

GREECE AND THE EUROPEAN BANKING SYSTEM...Bob said: "The viability of the European banking system is at the heart of this whole issue.  Now European countries must begin to move away from the welfare state syndrome that has been responsible for the collapse of the sovereign debt of Greece.....Most people would consider a 50% write-down a collapse....Now they need to grow their economies, to grow their way out of the mess that has been created."

Honey EC: If you want to read more of what Bob has said about Greece, please see my summary of his midnight appearance on Doug McIntire's Red Eye Radio here.

USA ENERGY...Bob said: "We need to develop our own energy resources. We need to develop our oil resources, our natural gas opportunities so we can further reduce our dependence on mid-east oil......The more the US becomes independent of mid-east oil imports, the more we strengthen the value of the US dollar. And improve the balance of payments. We are not sending as much money away."

NATURAL GAS...Bob said: "We do indeed have vast oil and natural gas reserves. Our natural gas reserves have doubled in the past five years and we have an opportunity to use these in our transportation system. Natural gas is cleaner burning than gasoline.....All the president has to do is issue an executive order on natural gas vehicles at the federal letter....And we would turn the corner on the road to energy independence from the mid-east."

HONDA'S VEHICLE TO DIE FOR....Caller Bruce from Chicago asked for Bob's opinion about why we haven't gone forward  with natural gas use. Bob said: "The president view is that he is sold, lock, stock, and barrel, for wind and solar.....The vehicles are out there. Honda has a natural gas vehicle to die for...It's already there. The infrastructure would follow if we could get the executive order out of the White House.....I don't know why George W. Bush did not further exploit the move to natural gas in transportation. I don't know of any reason why he should not have. I think he should have."

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE...Caller Susan from Illinois asked why unemployment in Illinois is at 10%. Bob said: "The national unemployment rate is 9.1, it certainly varies by local.....I think that the main reason companies are reluctant to hire is because they have enough employees to handle the demand that they currently have.  And unless they see a pick up in demand that they believe will be sustainable,  they are going to remain right where they are....The private sector has been growing at a decent rate.....We are losing government jobs at the federal, state and local level....Those lost jobs get subtracted from the total jobs number....Right now, a lot of the misery is being caused by  lost government jobs.....The fiscal problems in Illinois are so severe that they have had to increase from 3% to 5% in the last year.....Consequently, you have to expect government jobs to go out the window in a place like Illinois with those kinds of fiscal problems."


EXCHANGE-TRADED FUNDS VERSUS MUTUAL FUNDS....Caller Martha from Berkeley asked Bob to explain the difference. Bob said: "They are very similar.....One of the differences is with an Exchange Traded Fund, you can trade during the day.....Only traders would care about this. Investors would not be tuned into this particular aspect....Mutual funds are priced at the end of the trading....So whether you're redeeming or purchasing you are going to do it at the net-asset-value at the close of the market. With an exchange-traded-fund, you can transact any time during the trading day." 

VANGUARD ADMIRAL ACCOUNTS AND FIDELITY FUNDS...Bob said: "There are places like Vanguard where they have Admiral Accounts....You need a certain amount of money, not a tremendous amount at all  because they've lowered it dramatically.....which means you get extremely low expense ratios. The lowest expense ratio I've seen across the board....I also think the Fidelity Fund Family, for example in their Fidelity Spartan Index Fund have some very competitive expense ratios."

CHARLES SCHWAB.... Honey EC: Schwab's Broad Market ETF expense ratio is 0.06%. Vanguard's VTI expense ratio is 0.07%.   Bob never voluntarily mentions Schwab unless a caller asks him. He always mentions Vanguard and often mentions Fidelity. I have often wondered why the bias. When Bob was co-owner of the BJ Group, Schwab was the brokerage house they used. Then he sold the BJGroup. Did something happen? If so, why does he claim that "Chuck" is a friend? Later in the program, a caller specifically asked about Schwab. Bob said that "Chuck" was a "good guy" and that he had been a guest on the program. I do not remember Charles Schwab being on the program. If anyone does, please let me know. 

VANGUARD INTERNATIONAL FUND (VWIGX)....Caller Erma from New Mexico asked Bob about investing her 401K portfolio in 51.3% in the Vanguard Total Stock Market, 22.3% in the Vanguard Total International Fund, and 26.6 Vanguard Total Market Bond Fund  (as per a recommendation by the HR Dept. of her new job).   Bob said: "I really like the total stock market index...I'm certainly comfortable with the Vanguard International Stock Market Fund. What they are doing is giving you approximately a 20% international weighting in your overall portfolio, and I'm certainly okay with that. And they are putting about a quarter of your portfolio in the total bond fund. I think you are getting good advice, I'd be inclined to take it...."

Honey EC: I chuckled when I heard Bob say that he was "certainly comfortable" with the caller having 20% of her portfolio in the Vanguard international fund. That is precisely how much Bob has in his Marketimer model portfolios one and two.  I can't recall the last time that Bob even mentioned international investing. Does anyone recall? But my-oh-my, what a coincidence. I wrote an article about the subject just two days ago. It looks like the international funds he recommends have greatly lagged the total stock market funds (see my  article about international funds  HERE for details).


GOLD AND SILVER BUYING....Caller Tom from Missouri asked Bob about investing in gold. Bob said that for years, he has recommended GLD for those who want a gold hedge. Bob is totally against buying numismatic coins.

Honey EC: It is true that Bob has been recommending GLD in Marketimer since May, 2009. However, he has never included gold in any of his model portfolios.  It is an off-the-books recommendation and he has given no guidance as to a buy-price or how much one should own.

Before the silver market collapsed because of raised margin levels, Bob twice said on Moneytalk that silver could be used as a hedge in place of gold. 


DON'T BUY INTERMEDIATE OR LONG-TERM BONDS....Caller Steve from Nebraska asked about Bob why a red flag is up on these bonds. Bob said that people are worried about rates "normalizing." If yields go up, both intermediate and long-term bonds will be underwater and anyone who buys them now is accepting risk.


FLAT TAX PROPOSAL....Bob said it is not going to happen because it would mean a tax cut for high earners and a tax increase for low earners. Bob went over all of the proposals by the Republican candidates including (his term): "The former boss at Godfather's Pizza."   Bob summed it up: "To think the country is going to do that is beyond dreamland. I think about all you need to figure this out is an eight-grade diploma. This is not rocket science."

BOB'S FUNNY OF THE DAY....Bob said:  "Let's go out to California, welcome to Moneytalk."  A familiar voice replied: "Hi Bob, this is Andy."

Honey EC: I need to point out that Bob ALWAYS begins his calls by introducing the caller by name and  location -- always, always, always. I conclude that this is one of Moneytalk's  Frequent Flyers, good old Andy from Redwood City,  and Bob is aware that Andy is being discussed on this blog.  LOL! Jeffchristie may know exactly  how many times Andy from Redwood City has gotten on the air -- that we know of -- it's several times.

Bob's guest-speaker today was John Hofmeister, the president of Shell Oil Company.  He wrote: "Why We Hate the Oil Companies: Straight Talk From an Oil Insider


30 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you BOB!!! for your great advice as always, and thank you honeybee for taking the time to pass along Bob's sage wisdom!!!

Honeybee said...

Please either set up an account or at least sign your comments. Thanks...

birdbrain said...

I could not let this month pass without acknowledging the recent birthday of the infamous Bob Brinker QQQ Counter trend Rally Call, born in Oct 2000 advising investors to buy the Nasdaq 100 shares at $86 with 20-50% of cash reserves anticipating a 20%+ return in short order. He was slightly off the mark as the shares plummeted 60% in eleven months.

UPDATE: Those who acted on this recommendation and subsequent instructions to "hold for recovery", even with the current market surge, will find QQQ today under $60, a full thirty percent
below Mr B's purchase price. And of course if your investment is down 30% you would need a 45% increase JUST TO GET BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE OVER FOUR THOUSAND DAYS AGO.

Because Bob is an Elvis fan he can understand how Counter trend Rally participants are feeling Way Down and All Shook Up, marking incoming Marketholder issues Return to Sender and after reading their retirement accounts wailing I Got Stung, There Goes My Everything, and We're Gonna Move.

Happy 11th, young sprout.

john said...

Thanks also honeybee for your advice and your posts on the brinker show. I also dont recall charles schwab being on the show and bob always put down gold as an investment to keep away from. In the earlier days he use to recommend 70 percent U.S. Equities 20 percent European and 10 percent emerging mkts ex-japan. This was his take on international mkts and the idea was to avoid japan as it went no where because of deflation. I think it was a good idea as you become diversified and if U.S. markets go down international mkts might go up.Anyways as you mentioned you have to be careful money can be lost quickly in these volatile markets.

jeffchristie said...

Andy in Redwood City has racked up quite a few frequent flier miles here on the starship moneytalk. Honey has documented seven calls in the last eleven months. He was also on 11 February 2011 when Lynn was hosting. He said the government has failed us when it comes to solving the unemployment problem. Lynn got upset with him. He often gets argumentative with Bob defending DNC talking points.

December 19 2010

Caller Andy from Redwood City disagreed with Brinker that the tax cut extension will create jobs and he was for tariffs to protect union jobs. Brinker told him that he had recited all of the Democrat talking points very well and suggested that he contact Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

March 13 2011

Andy called in from Redwood city. He said he didn't agree with Bob's position on nuclear power but he didn't want to go into it. Then he quoted some statistics on tax revenues and felt they justified increasing taxes. Bob didn't agree. He said that the problems caused by Sacramento were the result of run away spending and mismanagement. Andy went on to blame prop 13.

May 1 2011

Andy in Redwood city called in the last hour. He talked about an effort to reinstate the Glass-Steagal Act. He claimed that some democrats supported it but NO republicans did. According to the Huffington Post John McCain was one of the sponsors of the bill. I don't know if Andy is just ignorant on this or if he is a liar with a political agenda.


Sunday, June 5, 2011

BI-PARTISAN EFFORT TO SELL U.S. DOWN THE RIVER...Caller Andy from Redwood City said he agreed with Brinker's monologue about the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Brinker said: "I know I'm correct.....This is what drives me nuts, so many people out there are missing the point I made earlier. This is a bi-partisan effort to sell the United States down the river. It's not one party or the other. It's both of them."

Andy continued: "They are both against us. Phil Graham, Robert Rubin, Bill Clinton and Alan Greenspan did us in." Brinker replied: "There you go, you have two Democrats and two Republicans right there."

September 18 2011

Andy from Redwood City said that he totally disagreed with Bob on Warren Buffett. He said that when this country went to war in the past (he mentioned Lincoln, Civil War; Roosevelt, Spanish-American War; Wilson, WWI), the rich came up with the money to pay the debt -- but that this didn't happen with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bob managed to talk him down and asked him what he thought was a fair amount of tax for high-earners. Andy said 50%. Bob reminded him that in California it's already there. Bob ended by saying, "Andy, you are so misinformed on this subject, it is sad."

02 October 2011

*Andy from Redwood City talked about Keynesian economics...Bob said he was "sick and tired" of the "distortions" of Keynes -- that Keynes recommended saving money in the good times to prepare for the bad times.

30 October 2011

BOB'S FUNNY OF THE DAY....Bob said: "Let's go out to California, welcome to Moneytalk." A familiar voice replied: "Hi Bob, this is Andy."

Honey EC: I need to point out that Bob ALWAYS begins his calls by introducing the caller by name and location -- always, always, always. LOL! I conclude that this is one of Moneytalk's Frequent Flyers, good old Andy from Redwood City.

Anonymous said...

"This is the third time that Bob has bashed Economic Cycle Research Institute’s Lakshman Achuthan (and others calling for a recession)."

I think Bob is going to be proven right on this new recession deal but it doesn't look like ECRI is willing to back off yet.

I think they are going to lose a lot of high priced subscribers if they turn out to be wrong. Probably they will try to wiggle out by claiming this or that but a lot of people will still be disappointed I think.

Msven

jeffchristie said...

I see Brinker took another one of his cheap shots at George W Bush. One of the reasons we have this huge supply of natural gas was the implementation of a process called fracking. Democrats opposed it on environmental grounds. The Bush administration supported it and hence we now have an abundance of natural gas. Nice try Bob but once again you forgot to check the facts.

THIS IS FROM AN ARTICLE WHERE ENVIRONMENTALIST CRITICIZE BUSH FOR ALLOWING FRACKING

The unconventional gas extraction method used is called hydraulic fracturing, horizontal drilling or "fracking." During the process over 500 chemicals, along with thousands of gallons of water, are injected deep into the earth to fracture rock and release natural gas deposits. Local ground water systems are often contaminated.

Oil and gas companies are currently exempt from disclosing the chemicals they use (many of which have been found to be known neurotoxins and carcinogens) because of a 2005 Energy Bill loophole masterminded by Dick Cheney and passed by congress under George W. Bush. Fracking is totally unregulated by the EPA.

SO NOW YOU SEE MR. BRINKER. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE 2005 ENERGY BILL SIGNED BY G W BUSH WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS VAST AMOUNT OF NATURAL GAS TODAY.

Honeybee said...

Birdbrain,

Thanks for the reminder of the eleventh anniversary of Bob Brinker's biggest blunder and subsequent cover-up.

Indeed, Bob carried follow-up advice on that trade in Marketimer each month for 2 1/2 years. After the shares dropped precipitously, each month the advice was simply, "Hold for recovery."

Then in March 2003, Bob, the opportunist, used his buy-signal (return cash to fully invested), to bury the trade forever.

Here is what he did:

1. Final advice: Marketimer, March 2003, Bob Brinker said: "For subscribers holding Nasdaq 100 (QQQ) shares, we recommend holding for a significant recovery in the shares in the next cyclical bull market."

2. In April 2003, he announced portfolio changes that were made as of March 11, 2003 (after the 70%+ drop) which included a NEW buy on RYOCX (a proxy-fund for QQQ) -- and he ADDED THIS RECOMMENDATION TO HIS MODEL PORTFOLIOS.

Model portfolio I = 25% RYOCX
Model portfolio II = 15% RYOCX
Model portfolio III = 5% RYOCX

He later lowered these percentages at higher prices (but much lower than the QQQ buy price), and claimed on the air that he made a profit on the Nasdaq.

Honeybee said...

John,

I'm certainly not against international investing. It does give one more diversity in a portfolio.

I just think it is interesting to see what a drag those two funds that are part of Bob Brinker's model portfolios have been a real drag on performance for some time now. And 20% is a pretty good chunk. Don't you agree?

Honeybee said...

Jeffchristie,

Thanks for giving us a rundown on Andy's Frequent Flight on the Starship Moneytalk. LOL!

jeffchristie said...

Hi Bob thanks for taking my call. I am a bit confused by some of the data you have reported. You tell us that first time unemployment keeps coming in at a little over 400,000. Then you said we are creating new jobs in the private sector ok but public jobs show loses and the net number is expected to come in at 95,000. Well doesn't that result in a net loss of around 300,000? Why isn't this translating into a higher unemployment number? What am I missing.

Honeybee said...

Msven,

So you think that ECRI will be proven wrong? Don't be too sure of it. Sometimes they are just a bit early.

And yes, if they are wrong, it will probably cost them subscribers. Much like it did Bob Brinker when he blew the QQQ trade and then again when he missed the 2008 megabear market.

But one thing that Lakshmann will not do is try to "wiggle out." You have him confused with Bob Brinker who never takes responsibility for his shortcomings.

Honeybee said...

Jeffchristie,

Thanks for setting the record about George W. Bush straight. Once again, Bob Brinker bent over backwards to make excuses for Obama and then takes a (false) cheap shot at Bush.

Honeybee said...

For those who might be interested:


Vanguard to offer international bond index funds

October 31, 2011

If you're interested in diversifying your portfolio by investing in foreign bonds, two new Vanguard index funds may be the answer.

Early in 2012, we plan to introduce two new international bond funds: Vanguard Total International Bond Index Fund and Vanguard Emerging Markets Government Bond Index Fund. Registration statements for both funds are now under review by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Read more

dav said...

H.B.
Do you think the fixed rate will remain @ 0% in November 2011 for I-bonds?I think so even tho it seems like prices are going up.

Have a nice day.Honeybee

Honeybee said...

Hi Dav,

It's good to hear from you again....

I guess the short answer to your question is, I think so -- or very near zero.

I don't think interest rates will move up significantly any time soon.

I'm one of those people who were early to the rising-interest-rate party. But I am sure that eventually, they will, as Bob calls it, normalize. :)

Honeybee said...

This is NOT good. Look at this list:


Today MF Global became the first casualty of the European debt crisis leaving behind dozens of unpaid creditors.

Jon Corzine’s MF Global filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy today after a tumultuous week that including the firm’s stock plunging 67%, record quarterly losses and revelations over the firm’s European debt exposure. MF Global said it had total assets of about $41 billion against liabilities of almost $39.7 billion.

In a filing with the Southern District of New York bankruptcy court the New York firm reveals 50 firms that are owed the largest amounts of money by MF Global. MF Global noted in it’s bankruptcy filing that it’s “unable to determine the precise number of holders of its debt securities” but that debt securities are held by more than 500 holders.

Many of the names on the list appear to be vendors and companies that provided services for MF Global. A global IT consultancy out of Fairfax, Virginia, Headstrong Services, is owed $3.9 billion.

JPMorgan Chase and Deutsche Bank are the largest unsecured creditors on the list. JPM’s claims add up to about $1.2 billion while Deutsche Bank’s multiple claims reach roughly $1 billion. Both are listed as trustees for notes they’ve likely sold to investors so the amounts don’t reflect their own exposure to MF Global.

Meanwhile the firm’s largest shareholders are Fidelity’s asset management group Pyramis Global Advisors with roughly 14 million MF Global shares, or 8.4% of the firm’s common stock. That’s followed by Guardian Life Insurance Company’s 12.8 million shares and further down the list TIAA-CREF with 9.5 million shares.

Shareholders are typically at the bottom of the bankruptcy totem poll, and San Diego State University professor of finance Dr. Dan Seiver says they should expect recovery of “next to nothing.”

Here’s a complete list of shareholders who hold more than 5% of common stock.

Fidelity 13,917,938 shares 8.44% common stock
Guardian Life Insurance 12,879,811 7.81%
Fine Capital Partners 21,504,101 7.37%
Cadian Capital Management 10,180,286 6.17%
TIAA-CREFF 9,520,582 5.77%
Piper Jaffray 9,132,597 5.54%
Dimensional Fund Advisor 8,920,497 5.14%
Rydex Security Global Investors 8, 456, 992 5.13%

Forbes.com

Honeybee said...

Mark Hulbert interview on Moneyshow.com. He claims that 5-years is not long enough to evaluate a newsletter's performance. But I didn't get his reasoning for that conclusion:


Mark Hulbert of the Hulbert Financial Digest discusses what he thinks are reasonable expectations for a newsletter's performance, and how long a track record is meaningful.

Moneyshow Video

Anonymous said...

Regarding the infamous QQQQ trade. Investor's Business Daily recommends selling a position as soon as it drops 8% from the buy point as a way to limit losses.

I don't know what the volatility of the Q's was or is, maybe this rule would stop people out of something that was bouncing around, but generally headed up. Unfortunately the Q's didn't fit this description, so it would have saved from people from worse losses.

People who went in to that trade were relying on expert advice.

There was an interesting article published on the New York Times Magazine by Daniel Kahneman on Oct 23 titled "A Surety of Fools." The article discusses the confidence experts place on their own work, particularly predictions, and whether it is deserved.

It is a long article but about halfway through he discusses some of his work in the investment business.

Happy Halloween everyone. I am ready for the "onslaught" with my M&Ms. (Actually, I'll be lucky if I get 5 kids -- our driveway is too long and too dark).

-- Frankj

john said...

Honeybee
I agree 20 percent is a lot maybe 10 percent would be more palatable considering what is going on in europe. Right now a majority of my assets is in the vanguard target ret income fund VTINX and I believe they have a small portion in the total international index fund. That has been a good fund and I recommend it to anyone in retirement..

Jim said...

A few thoughts here,

1. Andy from Redwood City : I think he shows that the way to get through to Brinker is to call about a subject that Brinker feels very strongly about, like something he discusses in his opening remarks.

2. International investing: I think international investing makes sense. I agree that the Vanguard international funds are probably not the best choice. Of course Brinker likes low expenses but perhaps he also chose those funds so that anyone investing in the active /passive portfolio can keep it simple by having the whole portfolio with one fund family.

3. Charles Schwab: I heard the program but I can't remember what he spoke about with "Chuck". I think it happened shortly after Schwab introduced his Mutual Fund Onesource service. Brinker really liked that idea because people could invest in Brinker's model portfolios without having to contact each fund family. Brinker frequently recommended a "discount broker" to buy funds from different families without transaction fees.

Dan G said...

While some technical indicators are still positive (S&P 50-day moving average, seasonal indicators, daily and weekly MACD), monthly MACD has confirmed its bearish signal of October 1.

Fundamentally, Europe seems determined to mess things up with on-again off again "solutions".

At least the selloff of yesterday and today has pushed the stochastic indicator out of overbought range, but is now at a neutral reading of 50%.

In sum, it doesn't look to me that we're out of the woods yet even though we have just entered the seasonally favorable period. In any case, I will be lightening up on any rally in the trading account, though I will make no moves (yet) in the investment mututal fund.

Caution is now the order of the day in my opinion. I'm still very concerned about that long term sell signal and with Europe's ability or willingness to get off the dime and keep us from a double-dip recession.

Honeybee said...

Some good unemployment news this morning, or is it?

By KATHLEEN MADIGAN

Private businesses added slightly more jobs than expected in October, according to a report released Wednesday. Other job data also suggest some improvement in the labor markets.

Private-sector jobs in the U.S. rose by 110,000 last month, according to a national employment report published by payroll giant Automatic Data Processing Inc. and consultancy Macroeconomic Advisers.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires had expected ADP would report an October increase of 100,000. The September data were revised to show a rise of 116,000 versus 91,000 reported a month ago.

The ADP survey tallies only private-sector jobs, while the Bureau of Labor Statistics' nonfarm payroll data, to be released Friday, include government workers.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires expect total nonfarm payrolls rose by 100,000 slots in October, not far from the 103,000 new jobs added in September.

The October unemployment rate is expected to remain at 9.1%. The U.S. jobless rate has been 9.0% or more since April, a sign of how weak labor markets are.

The latest ADP report showed large businesses with 500 employees or more cut 1,000 employees from their staffs, while medium-size businesses added 53,000 workers in October and small businesses that employ fewer than 50 workers hired 58,000 new workers.

Service-sector jobs increased by 114,000 last month, and factory jobs fell by 8,000.

ADP, of Roseland, N.J., says it processes payments of one in six U.S. workers. Macroeconomic Advisers, based in St. Louis, is an economic-consulting firm.

Other job-related reports released Wednesday were equally upbeat about the October labor market.

TrimTabs estimated 160,000 new jobs were created in October, double their September estimate of 64,000 positions.

Also, layoff announcements dropped sharply in October. Outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas said the number of planned job cuts announced by U.S.-based employers plunged 63% last month to 42,759, the lowest monthly total since June.

Even so, the labor markets remain quite fragile. According to the Challenger report, so far this year employers have announced a total of 521,823 planned job cuts, 16% more than the 449,258 job cuts announced between January and October 2010.

Wall Street Journal

Honeybee said...

Yesterday, "anonymous" sent these comments which are posted on the previous comments thread.

I realize that he did not sign but I think his/her comments are very important in that it tells us exactly when "Chuck" was on Moneytalk:


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honeybee,

Charles Schwab was with Bob Brinker on MoneyTalk the weekend immediately following 9/11/01. As I recall, he spent about 1/2 hour on the show reassuring people that the US would recover, not to panic...etc.

I have not heard Brinker since 2002. However, he did great by me and I love the guy. At the time, I did subscribe to his newsletter, but was too lazy to follow his qqq advice in a timely manner, by the time I was ready to act...well you know what happened.

So I do not have a single complaint against him. I never lost a dime.

November 1, 2011 4:50 PM

jeffchristie said...

Honey

You mentioned that private sector jobs went up by 110,000. Last Sunday on Moneytalk Bob Brinker was forecasting 130,000 private sector jobs and a loss of 35,000 jobs in the government sector. That would be a net increase of 95,000 jobs. The WSJ article did not address government jobs. This leads back to my earlier question. If initial jobless claims are around 400,000 and new jobs created are around 100,000 it seems to me that we are running a net loss of 300,000 and unemployment should be rising. What am I missing?

Honeybee said...

For those interested in learning about I-bonds, Kirk Lindstrom wrote and article for Seeking Alpha.

birdbrain said...

Frankj:

I'm aware of the IBD 8% stop and have used similar protection on stock trades over the years, sometimes saving capital from huge losses and other times being stopped out just before a large upturn, but I do agree with the logic. Doing your homework and entering at a favorable price, if the stock goes against you, better to take a small hit and retreat to the sidelines.

Yes, the QQQ participants were relying on expert advice and monthly updates were provided.
"Hold, hold, hold."

Would a rational investor, seeing his/her investment 30% underwater after a decade, continue to follow the advice of Mr B, on top of his 2007 lump sum buy just before the Great Recession?

Any extra M&Ms, send them my way.

Honeybee said...

Birdbrain,

Do you think that Bob Brinker will mention those QQQ's that he told subscribers to "hold for recovery" back in 2003, ever again?

john said...

Unemployment is going to be high for the next few years. My reasoning being that we have to cut the deficit and possibly eliminate some of these big government agencies( irs,dept of education,close embassies etc. etc.) This will create the loss of thousands of govt. workers. The alternative being drastic cuts in medicare and social security. I think we can survive but as Bob says we have to change the current political system. How do others feel about these comments ??

Anonymous said...

Low interest rates benefit savers too: Bernanke

"Very low interest rates are hurting the returns that savers count on, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke acknowledges. But he says that savers should realize that these low rates are for "the greater good" -- the health of the U.S. economy. He says savers won't ever receive decent returns on their savings until the economy is doing better, because the best investments are investments that are made in an economy that's growing."

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