HONEY'S MARKET REPORT:
=> The S&P 500 Index is back above 2800 - up 4.78 YTD - and is only about 3% below all time high. The 10-year Treasury is still below 3% - 2.85. Inflation, according to the CPI-U is at 2.87% - still below where it was at the end of WWII.
STOCK MARKET...Brinker opened the program by completely ignoring the 10.1% correction that happened in February this year, while mentioning the S&P 500 all-time-high in January. He then pointed out that the Index is now only about 3% below the high. Then he launched into an opinionated diatribe about proposed tariffs.
Honey EC: Since the S&P has recovered so much of its losses, Brinker may think it would make him look pretty silly if he claims any decline that happened now is a "retest" of the February lows - so better to go back to January and call it a "trading range."
MARKETIMER MODEL PORTFOLIO MAJOR HOLDING.....Rick from Iowa, who is retired, asked Brinker about moving out of 100% equity model portfolios I and II into balanced (1/2 fixed income) portfolio III.
Brinker replied: "I would have a balanced portfolio and that should be easy for you to do because you are going to find in looking at (Marketimer) portfolios I, II, and III, that there are funds in there that are compatible with one another. I'll give you an example - the (Vanguard) total stock market index fund - we have a significant weighting (50% in I and II) of that in all three model portfolios.....So you see, you would be able to count that toward your weighting in model portfolio III. I really would feel that model portfolio, balanced portfolio would be appropriate for someone who is entering or is in retirement. I think it is appropriate and risk level at that stage of your investment cycle."
BUDGET DEFICIT..... dRahme AUDIO CLIP: deficit, paying back national debt
NOREEN AND THOSE WHO AGREE WITH HER ARE FOOLS, MORONS AND IDIOTS.....Noreen said she believed that the proposed changes in tariffs would help ordinary working Americans, and said that some steel mills had already opened up again, providing more jobs.
After screaming about Harley-Davidson, Brinker said: "I believe that protectionism is for fools only......I want to be very clear on this. I don't want to be misunderstood. I think that the only people that protectionism works for the country are fools, morons and idiots. nobody else."
Honey EC: The problem is, MISTER Brinker, President Trump is not for protectionism. He is for FAIR TRADE. The United States has been the piggy bank for the world far too long.
VICKIE'S CALLS.....Honey EC: Vickie may be one of the most eloquent callers I have ever heard on Moneytalk. Brinker was furious, and told her what she said made no sense and was complete nonsense! He added that her opinion (and those who agree with her) was for "losers." If he would have allowed her to continue rebutting him, she would have made him look even more like that "loser" than she did.
==> dRahme's Audio Clip: Vickie's call shortly after Noreen's
FRANKJ'S MONEYTALK GUEST-AUTHOR SUMMARY
Bob’s third hour guest on
Sunday July 15, 2018 was Paul Tucker author of the book Unelected Power, The
Quest for Legitimacy in Central Banking and the Regulatory State. (published May 2018). Mr. Tucker is a former governor of the Bank
of England. From Wikipedia:
“In December 2015, Tucker
became chair of the Systemic Risk Council, a body set up in 2012 by former
regulators and central bankers to promote financial stability. Its first chair was Sheila Bair, former Chair
of the FDIC, and its members include Paul Volcker (former Chair of the Federal
Reserve) and Jean-Claude Trichet (former President of the European Central
Bank). Since Tucker became chair, the
SRC has issued a statement to G20 Finance Ministers and Governors on financial
reform and, among other things, intervened on various US Treasury proposals to
roll back financial regulation.”
Mr. Tucker said he wrote
the book because he was worried that more power has shifted from political
leaders to central bankers. Today we do
not see presidents and prime ministers at the forefront, instead we see central
bankers. During our recent financial
crisis Paulson, Bernanke and Geithner were in the news, trying to deal with the
problems. He contrasted this with the
situation in the US during the Great Depression when Pres. Roosevelt was front
and center trying to deal with the economic problems.
Bob asked if there is a
disconnect between central bank monetary policy and what the typical
taxpayer/citizen knows about such policy.
Being British, the guest was
diplomatic in his answer which was: people
in the UK know more about economic policy than people in the US. Part of the reason is more TV exposure for
Britain’s central bankers, going back 15 to 20 years when the Bank of England
made an effort to get its people in front of the cameras.
There was some talk about
Mario Draghi but I missed most of it because I got a phone call.
After the financial crisis
here, did the Fed get any help from Congress?
This is a favorite theme of Bob’s.
Starship regulars know the answer is “No.” Mr. Tucker agreed and suggested that
Congress could have launched infrastructure projects. He said Congress could have paid for it by
raising taxes, not borrowing. Both agreed in the political atmosphere at the
time there was no way this was going to happen.
Remember when Bear Stearns
melted down in March of 2008? Bob said
this was a “gift” to the regulators and securities crowd – meaning it served as
a warning of things to come, yet no one did anything for 6 months. The guest seemed to agree and did not know
why no action was taken.
Caller Bernie from Westlake
Village, CA wanted to know if nationalism is dead in Europe. The guest gave an answer that wandered around
and ended with the statement that the EU is still developing.
A caller from El Paso TX
asked if monetary policy is so complicated that members of Congress cannot
comprehend it, so this is why they leave it to unelected experts.
Editorial comment:
Think of the Congressmen and women in your own state. Now decide which one of them is the biggest dope. Now picture that person having anything
to do with monetary policy.
Bob from North Hollywood,
CA said if he has a heart problem he wants a cardiology specialist on the case,
not a general practice doctor. Likewise,
the economy: keep the politicians (generalists) on the sidelines and let the
specialists deal with monetary policy.
The guest said that it is
OK for politicians to delegate tasks to central bankers but they need to be
specific. For example, part of the reforms after our financial
crisis were that banks should not engage in speculative activity. This was Congress’ wish. The regulators ended up writing 800 pages of
rules. Overkill.
Bob wrapped up at about
3:52.
Honey here: Thanks Frankj….It is a little scary when unelected people and bureaucrats have so much control over our lives, because there is no way to vote them out. And worse, it's almost impossible to get them fired.
NEXT WEEK.....==> dRahme AUDIO CLIPS: economy, inflation, treasuries, quantitative tightening-which has only just begun.
TALKOFCONNECTICUT;
96 comments:
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Oops...Brinker started the program by forgetting all about the 10.1 correction in February. Instead, he is harping on a trading range going back to January.
Good job, Bob! You're a master spinmeister.
Honey wrote: Good job, Bob! You're a master spinmeister.
One must ponder: Did he ever hang around with Bill Clinton?
Plus Bob brings up the 1.3 % decline in consumer decent. Really B. B.
LOL @ the poor sucker who's been in a bear market fund for the past nine years! That's one of the most pathetic calls I've heard in 28 years of listening to The Blink.
I wonder where he got the idea to do that? Probably one of the perma-bears, and lord knows there's plenty of them around.
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Pjtocha….I agree. It's really hard to believe, but Brinker is desperately searching for ways to belittle the Donald Trump Administration.
Consumer Sentiment has been riding high with optimism for over a year now. That has to be hard for Brinker to take.
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Bluce….Brinker is much more talented at spinning - most listeners believe every word he says.
We are more discerning here and try to sift the wheat from the chaff - to put it in family-channel words. :)
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Note to those suffering from TDS:
Save yourself some time - don't bother to send your hate here. It falls on deaf ears. I actually know truth from fiction.
Silicon Investor
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It would be great if Vickie from Des Moines could find this blog. I'd love to know how she feels about Bob Brinker repeatedly insulting her and everything she said.
She was one of the most eloquent callers I have ever heard and made 100% accurate points.
Brinker embarrassed himself with her - if it's possible for him to be embarrassed.
Why does Bob (Boob) Brinker hate our great, effective and beloved President Trump? I don’t get it. He’s the only President in my lifetime (and I am old enough to draw on my Roth IRS without penalty) to do what he says he will do and keeps the campaign promises that he made to me and other proud American Patriots!! Rob
Bob is live and really mad at the world today it seems to me. He should just tell everyone how badly he dislikes Trump, and how mad he is at people who like him. Trump and everyone who supports him are "fools and losers" and other insults. The same "fools and losers" who thought Trump might create GDP growth and see the tax cuts result in wage increases.
Bob also harps on the deficit growing because of the tax cuts. He fails to mention that revenues to the government are up by many, many billions.
Brinker is sure showing his Globalist colors today, calling those who favor protectionism idiots and morons. I guess I'm an idiot then because I think we should look out for #1. He said how low the unemployment rate is but if more people started looking for work again it would be much higher. That statistic is skewed. Brinker didn't want to let the caller make his point about NATO defense spending by saying that's politics. I'm sure the caller wanted to draw a parallel between NATO defense spending and trade. It may be politics but it's also financial too, just like trade that Brinker always talks about.
Fiddle Sticks! I just tuned in and I missed Vickie's call. I hope that you can post an audio clip of her call so I can enjoy it too!
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SuzyPie...I sent a note to dRahme to please make a clip of Vickie's call - but I do not know yet if he is available today. I really want to have a copy too.
I do have it on my regular audio tape recorder. So it is possible for me to put that on a YouTube video - but dRahme's clips are so much nicer - and the YouTube's take me a very long time to put together.
You beat me to it Terry. Federal revenue will be higher this year than last, and GDP will expand at over 3%
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/feds-collect-record-individual-income-taxes-through-june-still-run
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Jim….Something is eating Brinker alive these days. I know what I think it is, but maybe best keep it to myself.
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Terry....I agree with you! But Brinker lacks the cahones to actually name the President or call him out overtly.
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Rob… I think the answer to your question is mostly contained in one word: JEALOUSY.
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Suzy and all:
I just got word from dRahme. He will make clips for us today. They will be posted in my summary. :)
I am wondering if http://www.bobbrinker.com is a secure website. Bob states that all websites are now suspect in this digital age. Has he had his own checked? Has he paid for an hour’s time with a cyber security professional or penetration tester to evaluate it?
He also somehow conflates cyber security with free elections. The voters are free to look at any information and determine for themselves its credibility. Each political party for security reasons can elect NOT to use digital media connected to the Internet to store their sensitive information. Or decide NOT to use email for sensitive communications. They don’t have to store emails on personal servers. Eric Snowden showed us the folly in assuming security can be backfired onto the IPv4 network of protocols.
Da Brink has a liberal economics background. By that I mean people like Da Brink likely never actually read the primary source materials that macro economics is often predicated upon. What they learned was the Cliff note versions. By that I mean they learned a narrow subset of economic theory that seemed to model the economy of past times and seemed relevant at the time.
I have made this point before, but for those who never read it before: Free Trade is often credited to David Ricardo. It is sort of a Columbus discovered America thing. Ricardo essentially popularized the collective theory of economic theorist before him and added his own organization and insight. Hence he is credited with origination.
What is significant about Ricardo’s work is the entire theory of free trade. It covers comparative advantage and absolute advantage. What people were taught in college is free trade under the auspice of comparative advantage NOT absolute advantage. And what happened is, over time, by standing down on trade issues as the U.S. has up until Trump, comparative advantage economics morphed into free trade with nations who held an absolute advantage with predictable results.
Hence Da Brinks animist. You think you have an economics education only you find out what you were taught and believed does not have salient predictive power in the world around you. The issue is, you only learned part of the theory.
Honeybee,
This morning, I composed a note to Trees re: Schwab and Fidelity.
I don't see it on the prior week blog nor this one. Could you please check and if it is hiding somewhere coax it onto this blog?
Thanks!
JC ₹ ❻ ʤ ₰
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JC...I found it and put it through. If you want to send it again to the new summary, that would be fine.
tfb said...
Da Brink has a liberal economics background.
tfb,
I thought we were going to see something about Karl Marx in the next sentence.
JC É° ⑯ ∏
Trees,
I have been a customer of Fidelity for over 40 years and Schwab for over 3 years. I am currently a customer of both and have participated in numerous, very rewarding promos at both.
I have never had a problem with either of them. In fact, on a scale of 1- 10, I would rank each at 12+++.
Both offer great websites, great research, magnificent Active Trader platforms and fantastic Customer Service! I honestly don't think anyone could find better companies to trade with.
JC Ñ Ѥ ② Ѫ
PS: Honeybee, Thanks for retrieving the post!
July 15, 2018 at 11:03 AM
Loved Vicky's call today! I thought the threat of tariffs a was negotiation tactic. Bob's vitriol about Trump was perplexing. He would rather have had HRC? For what?
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Tom Logue wrote:
"I am wondering if http://www.bobbrinker.com is a secure website. Bob states that all websites are now suspect in this digital age. Has he had his own checked? Has he paid for an hour’s time with a cyber security professional or penetration tester to evaluate it?
He also somehow conflates cyber security with free elections. The voters are free to look at any information and determine for themselves its credibility. Each political party for security reasons can elect NOT to use digital media connected to the Internet to store their sensitive information. Or decide NOT to use email for sensitive communications. They don’t have to store emails on personal servers. Eric Snowden showed us the folly in assuming security can be backfired onto the IPv4 network of protocols."
Hi Tom,
I forgot to cover that sermon Brinker preached today about "cyber-security" while using it as a not-very-believable opportunity to refer to the latest Rosenstein-Mueller garbage about "indicting Russians." Every one knows it's a crock because Russia is not going to send their spies over here for prosecution.
But what Brinker was really wanting to make people believe is that the Russians affected the 2016 election. THAT IS FALSE! And shame on BRINKER perpetrating another lie.
Here is my transcription of exactly what Rosenstein said in his speech last week. Anyone who doubts it can find the speech on YouTube:
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime."
and
"There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."
Amen
Honey thanks for your blog. I want to know what Bob says but can't stand to listen to him anymore.
Jerrod Clarkson wrote:
tfb said...
Da Brink has a liberal economics background.
My reply:
I chose my words carefully. For clarity, by liberal I meant the way liberals tend to teach. They do not instruct the students in a way that gives them a solid grounding in the core tenets and principles of a discipline, so they have a strong foundation on which to form their own theories and options, rather they instill a narrow interpretation, viewpoint, dogma, orthodoxy.
If you want to see the demonstrative result all you have to do is go to your local college and pick a subject. Then go find the archives for the Master's thesis. Read some from the 60s, the 70s, the 80s and then modern times. You will likely be shocked at the lowering of the standard and the deterioration in the quality of what you read.
tfb
After reading Schwab's "What Happened to the Bond Bear Market?" this may be a good time to revisit Mr B's low duration bond recommendation. It has been close to five years (Honey will correct) since the old standby Vanguard GNMA was pushed aside in favor of Double Line Low Duration Bond due to Cap'n Starship's fear of impending rising interest rates.
So, with figures from Morningstar, let us view the annualized five year returns of said funds, shall we?
Growth of $10000:
VFIIX 11280
DLSNX 10866
Only over the last year and a half the price of Vanguard GNMA has declined 5.6% from 10.85 to its current 10.24 NAV. Granted, the Fed may raise rates two more times this year and beyond. Eventually this switch may prove profitable but I suspect nowhere near the magnitude the host imagined at the outset.
I guess you could say that as of now, Mr B's love of low duration has suffered from (ahem) premature infatuation.
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I understand, Daddy Paul.
There are times I think I'm not going to be able to stand to listen to him anymore. :)
The hottieBee wwrites:
Jim….Something is eating Brinker alive these days. I know what I think it is, but maybe best keep it to myself.
Maybe it is the realization that his boy never turned into a man and as a so called adult he still lives in his daddy's shadow. Or perhaps it is the fact most parents want their children to be better than they are. We know Brinker's case he is a charlatan who uses guile to plunder the wallets of the unknowing. In the old days many a thief wanted better for their children. I Brinker's case, all it appears he has done is created a second generation con artist, just like daddy.
That might eat away at a guy, but then, first you would need a moral compass and a conscience.
HONEY'S MARKET REPORT:
=> The S&P 500 Index is back above 2800 - up 3.91 YTD
The S&P is up 4.78% YTD
https://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp/
I've detected a conspiracy.
For the first time, the radio host's screener-producer-shill allowed well-grounded callers to present and debate a little. Apparently, the host was not ready for that.
So why the change? Is the network time slot more valuable to the media company as a paid infomercial for vitamins? Are they trying to gracefully convince the old man to quit?
Seems the host is flipping the bird to many fans of the current President. Fair enough. He has that forum, and can retire comfortably at a moment's notice.
But I think the host's sourness toward the chief executive might be personal.
I can imagine a moment in time when both were traversing "the Canyons of Wall Street" and the host was inadvertently shoved into a deep freezing slush puddle in January near the corner of Wall and Broad as Trump Sr. and Jr. hustled past in the brisk winter wind.
The host might still have the scars on his shin and his water-logged wingtips to prove it. He's kept them in a cold tub of ice-water all these years to preserve the evidence, in case it goes to trial.
Pure irony that Mr. Host's greatest claim to fame is as a NYC financier but he can't stand another of the same who has done it better than him.
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Thanks for the correction on the S&P. I mistakenly grabbed the wrong number. It is now corrected.
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Tomorrow I will be adding some of the great comments posted here tonight to the Summary.
I will also make responses tomorrow. I'm watching my favorite sleuth now - Columbo. :)
Welcome, Ken Branson. Have you read my mind?
Ken Branson said: For the first time, the radio host's screener-producer-shill allowed well-grounded callers to present and debate a little.
His screener is that dopehead Ravi Shankar who played the sitar with the Beatles around 1970 when they started to go psychedelic. That was around the time I quit listening to popular music and went back to my roots -- I bought a "Best of" Johnny Cash album and never looked back.
Somehow, old Ravi arose from the grave and is now one of Bobby's lapdogs. Who knew?
Did anyone hear a n advertisement for NoraDa Real estate during hour one?
Agreed!
I thought it was ridiculous that Bob was basically saying the Russians influenced the election.
After listening to Bob's callers Noreen and Vickie from yesterday's show, I have cancelled my MarketTimer and MoneyTalk on Demand subscriptions. I sure appreciate your blog, Honey. Thanks for the great summaries and analysis.
Regarding Frank's guest summary on the front page, Honey wrote: Honey here: Thanks Frankj….It is a little scary when unelected people and bureaucrats have so much control over our lives, because there is no way to vote them out. And worse, it's almost impossible to get them fired.
It seems this practice is also seen running wild in the "justice" system.
Back to basics: The Constitution grants "specific, enumerated powers" to the government.
The Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments) were included because some of the framers worried that liberties could be infringed upon because they weren't mentioned in the Constitution -- which was, and is not -- the point of the Constitution. But they made their case and won the argument, and as we see now, they were absolutely right. Too bad a piece of paper doesn't stop "the devoted advocates of power."
So to make clear that the purpose of the Constitution was to grant specific, enumerated powers to the federal government -- and not to list specific rights of the people -- the Bill of Rights was included.
They knew they could not possibly list all natural rights held by "the people," so the Ninth Amendment says: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
And the Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
So the question: Where in the Constitution is the power granted to the federal government to set the price of money, resulting in the endless manipulation of the economy by government bureaucrats?
Here is the key: If free markets (as in the price of money) are regulated, then they are no longer free and fall under the idea of "central planning," a massively failed idea that never works in the long run, as the history of socialism and other authoritarian regulated economies show.
Freedom -- if it can be retained -- always works.
FYI.Noreenns comment works in Vicki's slot. Nothing works in Noreen's slot.
The 10th Amendment is one of the most ignored provisions of the founding documents.
Thanks Honeybee and dRahme for posting Vickie's call. The only way that Mr. Brinker could win that argument was to cut Vickie off and use his bully pulpit. Guess I should not expect fair treatment of callers on Moneytalk.
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Felix and all...If they audio doesn't work or cuts off, try to reload it, and give it plenty of time.
The wall st machines are processing earnings data. Price is standing still. Up or down? Place your bets you timmers. I'll say up. 3k S&P is so close.
Richard S wrote:
After listening to Bob's callers Noreen and Vickie from yesterday's show, I have cancelled my MarketTimer and MoneyTalk on Demand subscriptions.
My question:
Does he actually issue refunds or is this a monthly pay as you go plan?
Ever curious,
tfb
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NOTE TO ALL:
I said I was going to add some of the great comments to the Summary, but decided to do something different.
I want to use them to compose a "communique" to Bob Brinker. I will do this in a separate Post either tomorrow or the next day.
HB,
Fat chance that your “communique” ever makes the air. But hope springs eternal .....
About your communique -
Dissent is clearly not tolerated in Brinkerland.
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Stinky and all... After reading your comments, I went back to read what I said, and it is easy to see why you thought what you did.
I apologize for not making it more clear - and here all the while I was thinking I was being funny.
Here is what I meant to convey and failed miserably - so will try again.
I am going to take some of the best comments that came in yesterday, compile them in a post-article-summary for the front page of this blog. I will call it a "Bob Brinker Communique."
Your are totally right - it will never get on the air, but it will be read by thousands - and I believe that will include Bob Brinker himself.
At that point if you, or anyone, wants to tell our friends at Morningstar about it, that would virtually guarantee that both Bob Brinker's would read it. :)
From what I've read on HB, Bobbies market timer is unreliable and to date doesn't work. Nor does anyone else have a reliable market timer. However, I do like his VTI choice for a general stock fund, but that is common knowledge. His other portfolios? My guess not really worthy of the monthly entrance fee. Has anyone concluded Bob's portfolios are unique and above average? A hidden gem that continues over time to beat the markets?
Bob does have a huge political bias. This will always spill over into investment advice. Not good to mix the two. There is so much of this going on currently. Notice how the partisan financial experts are willing to risk your money for their politics. It is very common. This is a big reason why investment advisors are a poor choice. I want to see their portfolio. What are they risking their wealth on?
Currently, I find myself with a lot of cash. Was working for some weeks evaluating competing portfolios. Currently, a hard time to know much of anything. Stocks continue to climb a wall of fear. This is normal. Long term bonds have a poor chance to do much in this rising rate environment. Short term is safe yet return is below inflation. There is a few potential problems with world economies that may wreak havoc with markets. I'm in retirement and with 5 year need of stable funds to draw from. Most will advise to carry cash like investments for this. So, my strategy is to do this, but still pop a percentage into marketplace on a dip. Problem is the dips are so shallow, is it worth losing so many days of positive returns? Currently no. There is much money on the sidelines doing this, thanks to popularity of QE. Fortunately, this is why markets continue to go north. Do bonds offer much other than safety? We have to endure risk to achieve return on investment. Being to conservative is a risk.
For my situation, I'm holding cash short term and buying Wellesley and/or Wellington over time. If we have a correction, IJR looks attractive given how much the fund can drop and quickly regain. Do you notice that all stocks rise and fall at the same time. Yes, this is obvious, but it makes me think a small cap is more attractive than VTI. Meaning it is all relative. You lose more then make more. What am I missing?
Trees: I would go with Vanguard...Balance Index Fund.
Trees wrote:
Has anyone concluded Bob's portfolios are unique and above average? A hidden gem that continues over time to beat the markets?
Just to be clear my understanding is Bob's portfolios have dramatically changed over the years. So they never have been set it and forget it portfolios and generally unsuitable for taxable investments. For example he us he use to have a lot of > 1% ER funds in his portfolio, e.g. Rydex OTC(1.22%), Baron Partners (1.37%), Gabelli Asset (1.38) and some higher expense ones like Meridian Growth .85 ER.
You might wonder about that, but you see Da Brink actually did something fairly clever. He knows over the long term, the market has an upward bias, so those higher ER funds he included had a purpose. They all had a beta > 1, eg. Baron partners, beta = 1.39, Meridian growth beta = 1.38. So he simply geared, i.e. leveraged, the portfolios. Hence there was no magic, he was just betting on the market having a long term upward bias and used leverage to juice returns in the long run.
I have no idea what his portfolios look like now. It would be interesting is someone had his portfolio 10, 20, 30 years ago to see how much they did or did not change.
tfb
The housing markets are on fire nearly everywhere. I don't think a down turn is immenent. The fed is normalizing rates as they call it. BBs fear of bond fund duration is probably prudent but he was about 3-4 years early ringing the alarm. No value added that I can see. Its wellesley a CD ladder & Ibonds for me.
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TFB….The earliest Marketimer I have is year-2000. I have every one in between then and now.
Pick a date and which portfolio you want to know about and I will look it up and let you know.
IOW: There are 3 model portfolios. P-1 and 2 are all stock, and three is balanced.
Brinkers opinions,contentions and tariffs op-eds make for a better show. Rather hear some debate than the rich callers worried if their 5 million will last IRWIN in Skokie
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Irwin in Skokie....You are right about listening to the multi-millions moan about worry about the last $100K they just inherited - "I just don't know what to do with it, Bob?" LOL!
There were three self-admitted multi-millionaire callers in the first hour last Sunday.
Rather hear some debate than the rich callers worried if their 5 million will last
A perspective. One common measure of where wealth begins(i.e. the minimum) is having enough assets to generate 100k of spendable income into perpetuity. In other words you can pass it on to you heirs. Now 100k is a fairly low barrier but in order to generate that, adjusting for inflation and into perpetuity you are looking at a 1.6% withdraw rate. So rounding things off you are talking about roughly a 6.5 million dollar lump sum.
So that 5 million is really not so much, now to this poor boy it sounds like a lot, but it does not even get them into the wealthy category.
Just food for thought.
By the way, my post above shows how hard it is to becomes wealthy through standard investing. Essentially assuming a 6 market return you would need to invest 39,382 a year starting at age 24 (assuming if you are working so hard you want to retire at 650. So consider for the individual you can shelter 18,500 a year in a 401k plan and 5,500 in an IRA for a total of 24K a year. So you are going to have to pony-up to the tax man every year on the other 15K, hence the reason I used 6%.
To be clear, it is doable, just not easy.
tfb
Irwin, I think the millionaire callers are a stealth advertisement for his newsletter insofar as they mention they have been a subscriber.
AMZN continues to FLY. What a Company!
Gabe
Beloved Bunny Boy:
I like the measure of "wealth" as being what is the value of your assets in relation to how much you've earned in the past 20-30 years, or maybe in your lifetime, etc.
Honet, in case Bob scans your blog...here's a jump start for his opening monologue next week. Of course, Trump will receive no acknowledgement for the positives he's helped with...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/powell-backs-more-rate-hikes-as-economy-growing-considerably-stronger.html
Im an old timer. Well I'm not a timer. Can someone explain to me why the data storage business that Amazon makes most of its money on is so profitable? I see Walmart is partnering with Microsoft. Does Microsoft need Walmart or does Walmart need Microsoft more? Will Costco survive in the future without partnering with a tech company like Google or Apple?
J Wales said...
Im an old timer
THAT'S IT!
THAT Bob should change the masthead of his monthly rag from MarkeTimer to Old Timer!
Wow! I've long written Bob Brinker off as irrelevant with a subpar return newsletter. His newsletter has been basically the same month after month. He is too lazy to offer opinions about why he recommends certain funds, their strategies, or what sets them apart. So, BB doesn't earn any of my time or money.
I followed your link this week and was shocked by his dialogue. The guy has turned into a mean old man. His treatment of callers that don't praise him is terrible and embarrassing. I wonder if his personality has been affected by his age and rather than addressing caller's concerns he talks over them and cuts them off. I never met the guy or listen anymore. When I played the cut for my wife she said he's the type of guy that tells Junior someone coming into his house and stealing his underwear while he sleeps. Mean Bob can you tell us what you had for dinner last night?
Disclaimer: no medical diagnosis is implied or assumed. I’m not that kind of doc anyways. As always this is just my humble opinion.
Indeed JC. A refresh is long over due. I can't remember who said it but it goes like this "a person usually only has one good original idea it's how many different ways you can table that same idea.
Thanks Gabe for the recommendation. Balanced fund is highly rated. I did see the fund dropped more in '08 as compared to Wellesley. The fund also has better growth in bull run. Both have equal 10 year CAGR.
tfb- Your post on Brinker's high ER funds and high Beta. I'm guessing he had a more devious tactic. Doesn't Brinker have a historical list of the portfolios annualised returns? If so this is a common trick in financial industry to phony up returns. The benchmark merely adds up the return percentage and divides by years. So, you can see having high Beta funds jumping up and down will improve his benchmark. A simple example would be a loss of 50% and next year gaining 100% return. The annualised score looks to be 50% improvement, but it is 0%.
Good financial advice claims your investment growth is all about managing downside risk. Minimizing Beta will also improve the safe withdrawal rate. CAGR appears to be a good common benchmark that does reflect actual wealth accumulation. The benchmark doesn't include ER cost or tax consequences. Nor does the benchmark include those tricky and abusive internal charges of funds and brokerages that are hidden. There is an internal compound growth rate that institutional investors utilize that doe include all costs. This info is hard to come by. It's insider info and very valuable. Also, very damming to marketing. I tell my wife that if I attempted the shenanigans that the Wall Street employs with my rental tenants. It would be jail time for me.
Politicians and regulators are very happy to push small business around. Not so much the heavy hitters. We have a local pharmaceutical company in town. Back a few decades the company had to relent to buy out. Why? The industry was under attack by politicians, regulators, and unpopular. These business had to combine assets to huge international status to fight back the FDA and politicians attempting to gain fame and popularity. Basically, these companies had to invest in politics and pay the price tag for crony capitalism to gain favor and protection. Sad.
Wow California shure has allot of debt to service. I know I'm totally out of my league when it comes to money & economics. How does a state like California continue to fuction for another day?
Regarding Bob's comment about tariffs: If fools, morons and idiots are the only ones who are in favor of tariffs (or other protectionist trade policies) then at worst we are on a level playing field with other countries since other countries (particularly China) readily employ tariffs and other protectionist trade policies in their dealings with us.
I also suspect that Bob equates protectionism with isolationism.
I also suspect that China has more to lose in a trade war than do we since the balance of trade is currently in their favor. However in China the people really have no say in whether or how aggressively their government would conduct a trade war. They can't vote Xi out of office for making their lives miserable. In the USA on the other hand if we decide we don't have the intestinal fortitude to endure a little hardship in order to strengthen ourselves, we can vote our leaders out of office and elect an appeaser who will bow down to foreign powers.
In the USA on the other hand if we decide we don't have the intestinal fortitude to endure a little hardship in order to strengthen ourselves, we can vote our leaders out of office and elect an appeaser who will bow down to foreign powers.
I disagree. As we are seeing, the entrenched deep state of unelected officials are the people who really control things. Our would be liberator President is the hardest working man I have ever scene. It is amazing what he has been able to achieve given he essentially has the entire force of the government allied against him.
We the people made a choice for Trump and Trump has been stymied by the deep state at almost every turn.
I also suspect that Bob equates protectionism with isolationism.
As if that is necessarily bad. When you look on a map and look at demographics, the U.S. is essentially 50 separate economies. In May of this year California's economy has surpassed that of the United Kingdom to become the world's fifth largest economy. We can easily afford economic isolation, in fact the impact would undoubtedly expand the middle class and flatten the wealth distribution. As of course the latter point is what the elites are fighting.
tfb
MK wrote: I also suspect that Bob equates protectionism with isolationism.
Yes, I would say he does, as does most of the clueless establishment. They "think" (I'm being nice) that the world of human interaction is black and white. I would argue that it is anything but, and instead is full of surprises and unintended consequences that the pointy heads never think of.
Is the deep state the lobyists & special interests that congress contends with?
Point taken. Isolation wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing depending on variables such as the degree of isolation.
J Wales asks: "Wow California shure (sure) has a lot of debt to service. I know I'm totally out of my league when it comes to money & economics. How does a state like California continue to function for another day?"
First of all, I'm no expert at state financing. I'd say they can keep functioning as long as they have the cash flow to keep up with things and a credit rating that doesn't scare off potential lenders. They get cash from the state income tax which is probably the largest source. Then there are other sources like fees for vehicles and other fees that go to the state.
If you look at what they spend money on, there are things they MUST pay and stuff that can be deferred. Must pay: wages to state employees (including politicians), money for schools, interest payments on bonds, money to counties for various stuff, etc., and pensions to name some.
The pension investments should be enough to sustain payments being made now and provide for future retirees. I think the state pension system is in trouble, that is the projected earnings are not enough to fulfill the promised, future obligations. Public pension rules are different from those in the private sector. A public pension system can defer making payments to keep the fund up to snuff.
A private pension fund cannot do this indefinitely. I was associated with a pension fund that got underfunded. (I once recommended we take half our equity allocation and put it in an S&P 500 index fund and pointed out the savings in expense ratio. I got a bunch of blank looks and a few frowns. I didn't stay on the board for too long after that.)
For three years running the assets were only 80% of what was needed to fully support the future obligations. We had to either dump a bunch more money in, find another pension fund in a similar union to merge with or liquidate the business! This pension fund ended up merging with another.
Oregon is in the same boat as CA, IL and some other states with under funding. They are kicking the can down the road. The governor is doing very little to address the problem and neither is the state legislature which is majority Democrat and beholden to the public employee unions in the state. Some years ago Illinois took a vacation from putting money into the pension fund -- for a number of years. The public employee unions were stupid to allow this to happen and now the bill has come due. No amount of financial engineering, hedge fund investments or other magic will make up the shortfall.
Like a household or a business, the state can delay payments to vendors and others. Illinois has done this and it has been reported in the Chicago papers. Non-profits in Illinois who do charitable work are getting strung along. Example being a non-profit that provides legal services to poor people.
It would make a great third hour interview topic, in my opinion, if Bob got an expert on the show who could give an overview and discuss a few states.
tfb, I forgot to stamp my ID on my first reply to you. Honey probably deleted it thinking it was a troll trying to post. Let me try again.
A point I was trying to make was that in this country we still have the ability to decide our own destiny. This explains Trump being President despite the unprecedented level of opposition he got and is getting from other elected officials (including those in his own party), unelected bureaucrats, political activists and various media people.
It may happen that those who oppose Trump and his agenda succeed in convincing the electorate to reject and replace Trump. If that happens I believe Trump would be replaced with Obama 2.0, one who appeases our enemies foreign and domestic.
tfb, I forgot to stamp my ID on my first reply to you. Honey probably deleted it thinking it was a troll trying to post. Let me try again.
A point I was trying to make was that in this country we still have the ability to decide our own destiny. This explains Trump being President despite the unprecedented level of opposition he got and is getting from other elected officials (including those in his own party), unelected bureaucrats, political activists and various media people.
It may happen that those who oppose Trump and his agenda succeed in convincing the electorate to reject and replace Trump. If that happens I believe Trump would be replaced with Obama 2.0, one who appeases our enemies foreign and domestic.
FrankJ writes:
Some years ago Illinois took a vacation from putting money into the pension fund -- for a number of years. The public employee unions were stupid to allow this to happen and now the bill has come due. No amount of financial engineering, hedge fund investments or other magic will make up the shortfall.
Just to point something out. This argument is often made by the unions but it turns out to be erroneous. To your point, taking a pension holiday certainly did not help but the numbers have been recrunched with the actuarial required pension payments for the missing years and given the portfolio's returns the pension deficit still grew by a wide amount. The problem was in the massive growth in benefits.
Here is an article that takes a different look at the issue and come st the same conclusion that you may enjoy.
http://www.wirepoints.com/illinois-state-pensions-overpromised-not-underfunded-wirepoints-special-report/
Kindest regards...
tfb
Is it my imagination or is the financial system as a whole socialist at its core? A centralized banking system taxpayer bailouts & academics running the system for the most part smacks of a socialized system. Hypocrisy runs deep when money is involved. My guess like many BB is a socialist until his money is involved then he becomes a capitalist of the highest order. He lives in a low tax state subsidized by the gaming industry. Money not morals guide many in a system who's main agenda is to create wealth. But ultimately no one wants it taxed away.
From Bespoke Investment Group:
"While economists were forecasting first time claims to come in at an already low level of 220K, the actual reading was 207K, which was the lowest level since December 1969! With this week's report, jobless claims have been below 300K for a record 176 straight weeks, and they've been at or below 250K for 41 weeks."
JC ₪ ③ ℠ ₮
tfb: a pension holiday along with continued added benefits was the double whammy for the Illinois public pension viability. Accumulating unused vacation and sick time and then adding the dollar equivalent to one's ending compensation increases the size of the monthly pension payout. Just about the only place this goes on is in the public sector.
And this is not limited to union members, there was an article about some big shot named Mapes in IL who retired recently, having done this.
Back to unions, specifically their leadership. They should be smart enough and forward thinking enough to understand the consequences of piling on benefit increases without the needed investment returns to support them. They need to act in a fiduciary manner for their membership, but good luck with that.
Back to unions, specifically their leadership. They should be smart enough and forward thinking enough to understand the consequences of piling on benefit increases without the needed investment returns to support them.
Well in IL in particular, the unions are counting on the Constitutional guarantee. And of course they got the intercept law passed which allows a union to demand state money that would normally be distributed to a municipality to be put into the municipal pension coffers instead. They pulled that in Harvey IL and the city of Harvey promptly was forced to lay off half its police force and fire department - LOL. how is that for union leadership.
Look at the folks running for Governor. First you have Rauner who built his fortune by being one of the private equity firms inside the IL pensions that never made the required rate of return. Then you have Libertarian, Democrat and Independent running who all wants to pay the public sector every dime of their corrupt and outrageous pension and healthcare benefits. with a deck stacked like that I think the unions have done a good ob for teir members. The benefits in IL are so outrageous the are still making out like bandits with a 50% reduction.
**His screener is that dopehead Ravi Shankar who played the sitar with the Beatles around 1970**
Yes, that Ravi Shankar is long passed away.
Is there another?
There's doesn't seem to be anything online about a Ravi Shankar radio producer, etc.
Doodle
Doodle: Read the rest of my post.
**Doodle: Read the rest of my post.**
I did.
-Doodle
Doodle: My original post was entirely tongue-in-cheek.
Bluce,
Ravi Chandran may (or may not) be related to:
Ravi K. Chandran
(At least they are in somewhat related industries). Pay scales would be dramatically different, however.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_K._Chandran
Bob (not THAT Bob):
Thanks for the link. I see it says "Ravi Chandran is the younger brother of K. Ramachandra Babu . . . "
"Babu"??? Babu was the guy on the Seinfeld Show that opened a Pakistani restaurant near Jerry! India/Pakistan, it's all the same, right? How many "Babus" can there be in the world?
So now we have linked The Blink to Jerry Seinfeld. Hmm, I'm thinking maybe Moneytalk, right from the beginning, has been just another stand-up routine and we're the suckers for thinking it was supposed to be serious . . . ?
Bluce said:
How many "Babus" can there be in the world?
Bluce,
There is no way to verify, but I have heard world population of upwards of one babullion Babus.
That got me to thinking. All of these millionaires calling in to THAT Bob are frankly becoming tiresome.
Bob needs to talk to Ravi and see if they can get some of the babullion Babu billionaires to call in and ask some deep, challenging questions.
Bob (not THAT Bob): Aren't all the babbling baboons named "Babu"? That would add to the number.
Agree on the multi-millionaires and their "problems" -- especially those who can't figure out what to do with a new inheritance. But you want to up it by 1,000, to billionaire callers? Wouldn't that be 1,000 times more boring?
The original "Babu" didn't seem too wealthy. He said something like, "There are no peepeel! No-o-o peepeel come to da restaurant!"
FWIW: Stinky is diddling again!
Bluce said:
Aren't all the babbling baboons named "Babu"?
Bluce,
No! All the babbling baboons are named THAT Bob! They are becoming extinct. Their grunts can only be heard once or twice each month.
Bob (not THAT Bob): You got me ROTFLMFAO!
AKA Ravi Snerdley.
Pavlov’s Cat
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