Wednesday, December 14, 2011

December 14, 2011, Bob Brinker: Ongoing Cyclical Bull Market-Secular Bear Megatrend

December 14, 2011.................................................................(comments)

When will  Bob Brinker call the end of the cyclical bull market that he says is running concurrently with a secular bear megatrend?
 Marketimer, June, 2010, Bob Brinker said:  "Once the secular bull market peak was reached in early 2000, the current secular bear megatrend commenced......Based on the last two complete secular bear market, the duration of these long and frustrating period has  range from 16 to 20 years.....We are now in the eleventh year of the current secular megatrend and it appears to  us that this trend will not play itself out any time soon. We expect the next cyclical bear marker to occur within the context of the current secular  trend."
Brinker's stated goal is to identify when the cyclical bull market becomes a cyclical bear market within the secular bear megatrend. So far, there have been two cyclical bear markets since year-2000.  Brinker completely  failed to call the cyclical bear market that began on October 9, 2007 and ended on March 9, 2009, wherein the S&P 500 Index lost 57%. Just the opposite, he was calling bottoms all the way to the bottom and issuing repeated "all-in" buy signals.

Right now, Brinker believes that the current cyclical bull market that began in in March 2009 when the 2007-2009 cyclical bear ended, is still intact.
December 5, 2011, Marketimer, Brinker wrote: "If we are correct that the cyclical bull market trend remains intact and the stock market made a major correction bottom during the early autumn period, any weakness in the area of the August/September early October lows is viewed as an additional buying opportunity......"
So if the stock market has been in a secular bear megatrend for the past twelve years,  when is it likely to end? And how many cyclical bull markets will happen before it ends?  David Korn took a look at the cyclical trends during the worst secular bear megatrend of the 20th century. Notice that there were a total of six cyclical bears and five cyclical bulls in the 1929-1949 secular bear that David writes about. This is posted with the author's permission. David Korn wrote: 
"I have never wavered from my view that we have been in a secular bear market that began in the first quarter of 2000 when the stock market had become extremely over-valued.  Our current secular bear market in my opinion is based on a long-term reversion to the mean in price-to-earnings multiples.

The first bear market in our current secular bear was brutal as the tech bubble busted beyond belief.  (How¹s that for alliteration!).   Over the course of about 2-1/2 years, the S&P 500 declined 49.15%. What many investors forget is that the Nasdaq declined 78% from peak to trough.  You read that right ‹ 78%!  And back then, there were a lot of investors in tech stocks, tech mutual funds, indexes that tracked the Nasdaq or parts of the Nasdaq (i.e. QQQQ).

In the last bear market, we witnessed a 56.78% decline in the S&P 500 from the October 9, 2007 all time high to the closing low on March 9, 2009.  Long term subscribers of mine have seen my analysis of all the cyclical bull markets that occurred during the 1966-1982 secular bear market.  (If you are a new subscriber and would like a copy, just let me know).

This weekend, I want to do an overview of the 1929-1949 secular bear market. That was a whopper 20-year secular bear market and deserves particular attention as we are about to enter the 12th year of what I believe is the secular bear market that began in the first quarter of 2000.  I personally think we have a ways to go in this secular bear market.

SECULAR BEAR MARKET (September 1929 - June 1949)

Introduction

So, what were you doing 82 years ago?  Do you have parents or grandparents or great grandparents that remember it?  We were in the roaring 20s and the stock market had gained 497% over an 8-year time frame.  The Dow had risen from 63.90 on August 24, 1922, to 381.19 on September 3, 1929.  People were as excited about stocks as they were back in the bubblicious days of 1999.

Cyclical Bear Market Number 1

And then along came Mary.   A vicious bear market began.  It was downright ugly as investors witnessed record one-day losses of 13% on Black Monday, October 28, 1929, and another 12% loss on Black Tuesday, October 29, 1929. About two weeks later, the market bottomed (although not its ultimate bottom for this secular bear market).  On November 13, 1929, the Dow closed at 198.69.

Investors were despondent.  Their portfolios had been wiped in half in just over two months.  Things looked bleak, and investors were running scared. Quite simply, the stock market was considered a very unsafe place to be invested, just as it was at the end of 1929.

Cyclical Bull Market Number 1

Ok, we are back in November 1929, and the first cyclical bull market began on November 13, 1929, with the Dow trading at 198.69.  This bull market lasted about five months before reaching its cyclical bull market closing high on April 17, 1930, when the Dow closed at 294.07.  All in all, the Dow gained 48% during this cyclical bull market.  Investors were feeling good again.  Unfortunately, back in 1930, things took a dramatic turn for the worse.

Cyclical Bear Market Number 2.

After peaking on April 17, 1930 at Dow 294.07, the market took a nose dive. In just over two months, the Dow had declined almost 23% and closed at 211.84 on June 24, 1930.  Investors got a head fake over the next few months, as the Dow rose about 15% to 245.09 on September 10, 1930.  But the gains were short lived as the Dow crumbled to 121.70 on June 2, 1931.  One month later, the Dow went up to 155.26 (a gain of 27%), but it happened in 30 days, and was really just a temporary spike.  The market immediately resumed its bear market ways for another year, among what might well be the worse bear market our country will ever see again.  The carnage ended at Dow 41.22 on July 8, 1932.

Did you catch that?  From April 17, 1930 when the first cyclical bull market ended at Dow 294, to July 8, 1932 the Dow declined 86% over a 3-year and 3 month time frame! 
 
Cyclical Bull Market Number 2

The Dow began the second cyclical bull market of the 1929-1949 secular bear market at a price level of 41.22.  Hard to imagine now with the Dow about 2000 times greater than that.  Investors were totally beaten down from the last bear market.  Investing in the stock market was probably the last thing on many investors' minds.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but when nobody wants stocks, that has often been the time to buy them.  Investors who could stomach the action in July 1932 were quickly rewarded,  the Dow began its bull journey with a hefty 68.3% gain in just over a month!  The volatility, however, was extreme and it was commonplace to see corrections during this particular cyclical bull market in the magnitude of 15%, 17%, even 20% over a relatively brief period of time.  Sound familiar?   This bull market lasted until February 5, 1934, when the Dow closed at 110.74, reaching its cyclical bull market closing high.  All in all, this cyclical bull market lasted 19 months.  During that time frame, the Dow gained 168.6%!

Cyclical Bear Market Number 3

Some market historians suggest that the prior cyclical bull market continued for another three years until February, 1937.  However, this ignores the 5 month period between February-July, 1932.  The Dow started that bear at 110.74 on February 5, 1934 and declined to 85.51 by July 26, 1934.  That marked a decline of 22.79%.  I count that as cyclical bear market #3, although obviously these labels are open to interpretation.

Cyclical Bull Market Number 3

The third cyclical bull market began on July 26, 1934 with the Dow trading at 85.51.  The bull market lasted until the Dow topped out at 194.40 on March 10, 1937.  All in all this cyclical bull market lasted about two years and 8 months.  During that time frame, the Dow gained 127.36%!  This bull market had enormous gains.  During that time, the market had one correction of over 10%, with seven other corrections in the range of 3.11% to 9.7%.

Cyclical Bear Market Number 4

Following the Dow's rise to 194.40 on March 10, 1937, a very tough cyclical bear market ensued.  The Dow fell to 98.95 in just over a year when the bear market ended on March 31, 1938.  This marked a decline of 49.1% -- similar to the bear market we had from 2000-2002 in terms of the percentage decline. In fact, only 2% points less than the most recent bear as measured from October 9. 2007 to November 20, 2008.

Cyclical Bull Market Number 4

The fourth cyclical bull market began on March 31, 1938 with the Dow trading at 98.95.  This bull market lasted about a year and a half and brought the Dow up to 155.92 on September 12, 1939.  This came about 8 months after the bull market had reached its prior peak of 158.08.

Cyclical Bear Market Number 5

The fifth cyclical bull market was a brutal one.   A seriously brutal one. The Dow was at 155.92 on September 12, 1939.  Flash forward about 2-1/2 years and on April 28, 1942 and the Dow had fallen to 92.92.  That means the Dow was actually trading lower than where it had been four years earlier! Would you have wanted to stay in stocks?

Cyclical Bull Market Number 5

If you hadn't sold out at the bottom, you were in for a very long and very profitable cyclical bull market.  The Dow had fallen to 92.92 on April 28, 1942.  From there, the Dow had a wonderful 4-year run.  By May 29, 1946, the Dow had risen to 212.50 which marked a gain of 228.69%!  Simply amazing.

Cyclical Bear Market Number 6
 
The secular bear market of 1929-1949 began and ended with a cyclical bear market.  The last one began at the end of May 1946 and lasted until June 13, 1949.  Just a little over 3 years.  During that time, the Dow declined from 212.50 to 161.60 --  a decline of 23.9%.

CONCLUSION

That was a long 20 years.  The Dow started at 381.19 on September 3, 1929 and ended at 161.60 on June 13, 1949.  So as to not end on a depressing note, this 20 year secular bear market preceded a 16-year secular bull market during which the Dow generated annual returns of over 16-1/2%.

Studying past bull markets, can give you the ability to gain a perspective on how the market moves.  Too often, we are unable to see the forest through the trees; or, we follow so closely, that we only see the trees without being conscious of the forest.  I have always felt that the study of these market cycles can benefit my subscribers, and so I do a lot of research on them and hope they provide some perspective on the market for you."

David Korn's Stock Market Commentary, Interpretation of Moneytalk (Bob Brinker Host), Financial Education, Helpful Links, Guest Editorials, and Special Alert E-Mail Service.  Copyright David Korn, L.L.C. 2011

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24 comments:

Anonymous said...

HB thank you for posting David interesting market history.

-- Frankj

Honeybee said...

Consumer Price Index News Release: Headline 3.4% and core 2.2% year-over-year.

BLS.gov

Honeybee said...

You're welcome, Frank....

I thought David did an outstanding review of the 1929-1949 bear market. Probably the best I've ever read.

He is very generous to let me share some of his writing here.

Pig said...

Does anybody know if Brinker will be too embarrassed to show up this weekend after being BOOTED for poor ratings?

How can a charlatan that is as accurate as a coin flip have decent ratings anyway?

Honeybee said...

Mr. Pig,

No one knows for sure if Bob Brinker will show up tomorrow or not. As you said, he was booted from the BIG KAHUNA San Francisco station and sent to their "poor-relations" station, KSFO 560.

Now don't misunderstand me. KSFO is my station of choice, but it is only about 1/10th as powerful as KGO. I live about 80 miles from San Francisco and sometimes have to listen on the internet because my reception is so bad.

If Brinker doesn't show up tomorrow, then he will be gone for three straight weeks because the following Sunday is Christmas Day. "Shirley" he won't work on Christmas Day -- I sure won't.

Wait! Maybe he will show up Christmas Day now that he knows I won't. LOL!!!

Anonymous said...

I would rather give up listening to Brinker than to listen to that right wing fascist KSFO station. They make me sick.

KGO

Honeybee said...

You call KSFO "fascist"? Who do you think it was that unceremonious, and without warning, dumped all of their talk show hosts except Ron Owens? (Owens had an unbreakable contract.)

That may not be fascism, but it darn sure isn't nice. They could have at least let the hosts say good-bye to their audiences.

Pig said...

I would rather give up listening to Brinker ...

GREAT IDEA.........

Make it a New Years Resolution, and follow through with it.

It will make you a better person, a better trader, and give you more hair on your head and other important places, if ya know what I mean.........

HTH

Anonymous said...

KGO: If you could, would you force KSFO off the air?

It is about that time of year that BB has on the tax expert in the third hour.

-- Frankj

Anonymous said...

hi just registered ,, tina

jeffchristie said...

Anonymous said...

"I would rather give up listening to Brinker..."

I would suggest you do that. There is a far better program on Monday thru Friday from 9 am to noon. I even hear this guy's listening audience is 10 to 15 times bigger than Brinker's. The guy who follows him at noon is also very good. Brinker isn't even in the same league as these folks.

Honeybee said...

Welcome, Tina....Feel free to chime in whenever you want. :)

Anonymous said...

"KGO: If you could, would you force KSFO off the air?"

Not at all Frank. Having all the righwing blowhards like Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin etc. in one spot like KSFO is a good thing. They don't pollute the entire airways that way.

Have you ever wondered why they ALL have to shout? Maybe it is because they are relegated to low watt stations.

KGO

Honeybee said...

KGO asked: "Have you ever wondered why they ALL have to shout?"

Oh puullleeezzze! Did you ever listen to Ray Taliaferro, Bernie Ward or Allan Colmes.

I listened to each about 30 seconds.

Anonymous said...

"Oh puullleeezzze! Did you ever listen to Ray Taliaferro, Bernie Ward or Allan Colmes. I listened to each about 30 seconds."

Taliaferro was a black racist on in the middle of the night, Bernie Ward has been in prison for years and I never heard of Allan Colmes.

Now we have that Red Eye Radio thing and I guess that is a syndicated talk show nationally. I don't like it either.

Personally I think they should have gotten rid of that Ronn Owens blowhard too. He's much too full of himself and he is also a schmuck generally.

KGO

Pig said...

Did you ever listen to Ray Taliaferro, Bernie Ward or Allan Colmes. I listened to each about 30 seconds.

You qualify for Sainthood.

How long did you have the dry heaves?

Honeybee said...

Mr. Pig,

"Dry"? LOL!

Anonymous said...

KGO:

Chris Matthews shouts. Ed Shultz (sp.?) shouts.

Find something else to gripe about.

-- Frankj

jeffchristie said...

Anonymous (Groineel) said...

"....and I never heard of Allan Colmes.


Consider yourself luck.

Anonymous said...

"Chris Matthews shouts. Ed Shultz (sp.?) shouts."

Don't watch them either, don't like shouters of any kind.

Do you base what you watch only on their political leanings? Can't say much for that idea Frank.

KGO

Pig said...

The crybaby from KGO sez: Taliaferro was a black racist on in the middle of the night,

Tell him not to give up. He could be president someday, as soon as we dump the current black racist.

Anonymous said...

"Do you base what you watch only on their political leanings? "

Your question makes no sense, KGO.

You griped about shouting. There is shouting on both sides of the spectrum.

-- Frankj

joe tong said...

KGO (SF) and KTLA (LA) radio stations no longer carry BB - is his ratings that low?

BB has too many weekends off, despite the cutback to only 1 instead of 2 weekend shows on Sundays.

Is it time to pass the baton to someone else or be forced out?

Noticed few equity comments in 2011 with market going flat to down?

BB a perma bull - he has only one alternative for his followers: dollar-cost average at lower prices; then pray, S&P500 will eventually rise.

Honeybee said...

Joe Tong,

Great comments...I agree, Bob Brinker is a permabull, and has been since March 2003.

He still plays the game of being a market-timer, but in actuality, his has never advised taking any money out of stock investments in over eleven years.