Friday, February 17, 2012

February 17, 2012, Bob Brinker: Rising Oil Prices, The Economy and Stock Market

February 17, 2012....Many times, Bob Brinker has said on Moneytalk and in Marketimer that rising oil prices are not inflationary because they "act like a tax" and a damper on the economy.  

Moneytalk: Brinker said:  "Oil prices literally going through the roof, and yet to the consternation of many, not listeners to Moneytalk, but to many, including, apparently, the Fed Chairman, they think oil prices are inflationary. That's because they don't understand, they don't understand the taxing effect that these higher gasoline prices have on your pocketbook.

....As we've discussed on the program, the vast majority of people in America today cannot even afford to fill up their gas tank. They can't put the $40, $50, $60, $70 worth into their gas tank because they don't operate on a budget like that. Sure, there are some well-heeled that can do it and not care very much about it, but the vast majority of Americans cannot even afford a $40, $50, $60, $70 fill-up on a regular basis-they just can't afford it." 
 
For several months in 2008, Brinker blamed the stock market troubles and slow economic growth on rising oil prices:
 
August 2008 Marketimer, Bob Brinker wrote:  "In our view, the road to significantly higher stock market prices is linked to oil prices. High oil prices act as a de facto tax on the consumption of gasoline and other energy products. This taxing effect reduces consumer discretionary income, which delays the start of the economic recovery process..... oil prices are the wild card factor in the stock market, in my opinion...."
 
Now here we are in February 2012, and we learn that according to the LA Times,  January gasoline prices are "hovering at record highs boosted by growing economic strength."
Last month turned out to be the most expensive January ever at U.S. gasoline pumps, boosted by growing economic strength. January is typically a month of falling gasoline prices because fuel demand falters in the slower travel weeks that follow the year-end holidays.

And Reuters reports: "Gasoline pushes inflation up in January"
For the Fed, an energy prices spike would represent a quandary: it could hurt the economy even as it boosts inflation. Gasoline prices increased 0.9 percent in January and they have continued to move higher this month. 

"Consumers are going to feel a gasoline pinch in the first half of this year," said Chris Christopher, an economist at IHS Global Insight.

The report also showed so-called core prices, which strip out food and energy costs, rose 0.2 percent, pushing the increase over the last 12 months up to 2.3 percent.

While the year-on-year reading on overall prices has been easing, the steady pick-up in core suggests inflation pressures are not subsiding as quickly as expected, and it could lead to some wariness at the Fed about launching another round of bond purchases to drive borrowing costs lower.
So the stock market rose in January, energy prices rose in January and the economy, according to Bob Brinker,  is going to continue growing.

February 2012 Marketimer, Brinker wrote: "We are estimating 2012 real gross domestic product growth within a range of 1.5% to 2.5% with a midpoint of 2%. If we are correct, the economy will show some modest improvement in 2012 when compared to the 2011 real GDP growth rate of 1.7%. Our 2012 S&P operating earnings forecast remains at $103 which represents an increase of close to five percent over our 2011 estimate. At this juncture, we regard our 2012 earnings estimate as leaning toward the conservative side." 

Brinker has been mostly silent about energy price effects on the stock market and economy since 2008. He has said that he is for the the U.S. becoming more energy independent, and he is in favor of the Keystone Pipeline which the Obama Administration nixed. 

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oil is a dirty business.

Oil stains the hands of POTUS. How many bad political decisions have been made because we are handcuffed to the need for a free flow of oil from the Middle East? Iran will soon have its nuclear bomb. Concurrently it will have a vehicle to hurl it a thousand miles, maybe more. The western powers don’t have the will to place meaningful sanctions on Iran. Current sanctions are weak and easily bypassed. Europe is deathly afraid of losing their flow of oil. They want to fight that monster now and hide Iran’s nukes in the closet. They talk big about stopping Iran, preventing them from getting a bomb, but it is only pabulum for the naïve masses. No substance. No brains. No guts.

Oil stains the clean starched shirts of the New York and Chicago traders. When everyone needs oil to function, it is easy to manipulate the price and availability of it to suit the needs of the traders. Did we, the public, really get a proper answer in 2008 why oil and gas prices spiked so dramatically? It sure took up a lot of the political debate time didn’t it? Where is the answer? And where is the solution for our national energy needs promised by the winner of that election.

Well Ms. HoneyBee, I’m glad you brought up the subject. It’s an important one. I guess this year will be another crazy wild ride on the Black Gold Express Roller Coaster at the world’s wackiest theme park, the American Political Scene.

Are you trying to figuring out the reasons for high oil and gas prices? Don’t even bother. Just throw up your hands and declare, “It must be election year 2012”.

The process will be fun to watch! I can’t wait to find out who will have the right to declare in November, “I drink your milkshake”.

Signed: Safety valve Sam

Honeybee said...

Timx said...

No one should complain about losing their retirement on BB's QQQ missed call. His recommendation was to limit your purchase to 4% of your equity portfolio. If you were overweight in that trade that was your decision.

February 18, 2012 9:55 AM


Originally posted here.

Honeybee said...

TimX,

What you said is patently FALSE! I'm going to assume that you have been mislead.

November 6, 2000 Marketimer:

"Marketimer subscribers with aggressive objectives can invest up to 30% to 50% of cash reserves in either the QQQ shares or Rydex OTC Fund in order to participate in this recommendations. That translates into potential exposure of 19.5% to 32.5% of a TOTAL AGGRESSIVE PORTFOLIO. (30% of 65% CASH RESERVES equals 19.5%. 50% of 65% cash reserves equals 32.4%). The balance of reserves remain in money market funds.

Conservative subscribers can invest up to 20% to 30% of cash reserves in this recommendation, using either QQQ shares or Rydex OTC Fund shares. That translates into potential exposure of 6.5% to 9.75% of a total BALANCE PORTFOLIO. (20% of 32.5% cash reserves equals 6.5%, 30% of 32.5% CASH RESERVES equals 9.75% of a BALANCED PORTFOLIO. The balance of reserves remain in money market funds."

jeffchristie said...

On Saturday, April 28, 2007 Burton Malkiel was the guest on Moneytalk. I wanted to ask him about high gasoline prices and inflation. I was unable to get into the program so I emailed him. Here is what transpired.


-----Original Message-----
From: Burton G. Malkiel
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:48 PM
To: Jeff Christie
Subject: Re: Bob Brinker's Moneytalk

Jeff Christie wrote:

Dr. Malkiel

I really enjoyed your appearance last Saturday on Bob Brinker's Moneytalk. As an investor with 40 years of experience I have learned lessons that support many of the things that you discussed. I tried to call in but the lines were busy. I had a question about high oil prices and inflation. A friend and I differ on the issue of whether high oil prices are inflationary. One of us thinks they are while the other says they are not because they act like a tax. Neither one of us are economists. We would be interested in the thoughts of a noted economist like yourself on this issue. I know that you are a busy man with many responsibilities and I will understand if you do not have time to respond to my question.

________

Both views are correct. Oil is one of the prices in the price indexes but unless the monetary authorities loosen up (as they did in the first oil crisis of the 1970s) broad scale inflation will not follow. This is why I took a somewhat different view from Bob, the host. I think Ben Bernanke must not ease too soon so inflation does not creep into wages and other prices. High gas prices certainly are a tax and have contributed to the slowdown in Q1.

Pig said...

Ms Honey catches TimX, lying his fat @$$ off:

TimX, What you said is patently FALSE!

Timx is either stupid, a LIAR, drugged up, or he could be a brinker relative by blood, which would make him "all of the above".

This clown makes Obama look honest...............

Anonymous said...

In the current news there was a fire at a BP refinery in Washington. It's being shut down.

Who wants to enter into a contest to predict the day that gas in California reaches an average price of $4.25 and above. I predict April 1st. We all know what that day represents, and we are all being played for one.

Safety valve Sam

Al in SJ said...
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Al in SJ said...

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Mr Pig,

In searching for "the clown", I see someone has posted a newer version....

The Clown
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Sorry about the ID-Ten-T link copy error in the first post.

omnikey said...

Thanks to all who analyze and clarify Bob Brinker's comments on this forum, as well as those of others. Brinker has always been correct in his commentary on the "taxing" effect of gas prices on consumers, and the economy. I am concerned that he does not consider this a strong head-wind with regards to his forecast, since high gas prices were a major contributor to the events of 2008. I am very worried about the high gas prices and tend to think we are headed for a rough 2nd and 3rd quarter if nothing changes.

"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. "
--Admiral Jost Painter

Honeybee said...

Omnikey,

Great post! I am copying it to my latest article HERE and responding to it.