Sunday, May 3, 2015

May 3, 2015, Bob Brinker's Moneytalk: Stocks, Bonds, Economic and Investing Summary

May 3, 2015....Bob Brinker hosted Moneytalk live today. (comments welcome)

"From the Sandwich Islands to Sandwich Mass, Moneytalk is unique."__ Bob Brinker

MAY MARKETIMER NOW AVAILABLE....Brinker announced this today.

STOCK MARKET

Today, Brinker commented that the S&P is very near its all-time-high -- and said that he recommends dollar cost averaging into equities for new money. He remains fully invested.

SELL BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY TO GET DIVERSITY AND DIVIDEND..
.. Caller Tom from Naperville said his aunt gave him 3 shares, worth about $216,000 per share, and wanted to know if he  should hold it or sell it.

Brinker replied:  If I'm starting out from a no tax liability standpoint, and if you haven't heard in stock, you should have a date of death value on it.  So if you inherited the stock yesterday the value of the stock would be the same as the date of death.  So then you would not have a tax liability because you would have the date of death cost basis.  If I were in that position, I would rather own something like the Total Stock Market Index or the S&P 500 for obvious reasons which would be diversification reasons.  And the other reason would be they pay a cash dividend.  You get a cash dividend of close to 2% on those holdings whereas you're not getting any cash dividend on the shares you own.  So I'd rather own a diversified, dividend paying security rather than just own shares of any one company including Berkshire.  (Tom would have a tax liability because he inherited the stock over 12 years ago.)  

CONSUMER SENTIMENT HIGH.... Brinker said: We've talked about consumer sentiment and how consumer sentiment has been firm.  University of Michigan Wolverine consumer sentiment index came out this week and it was unchanged – staying at 95.9.…  It's the highest level in three months.  Consumer sentiment has been helped by lower gasoline prices and fuel prices that place more spendable income in the pockets of consumers.  And yes, consumers benefit from that.

Honey EC: Expanding on Brinker's Moneytalk comments above:  In the May issue of Marketimer, which is now available, Brinker reviewed his stock market timing indicators. One of them is "Sentiment." 
Page 2;  Paragraph 6; Brinker wrote:  "Advisory service sentiment measures continue to indicate a high level of bullish investor sentiment.  This suggests that many investors are fully invested and that means potential demand may be reduced by relatively low stock market cash reserves.  In our view, the risk of a short-term correction is elevated due to the high level of advisory complacency.  In the absence of a major exogenous event, we would expect any short-term weakness in the near term to be limited to the single-digit percentage range.  The combination of low interest rates and the plethora of share buyback programs is likely to cushion any weakness that may develop near-term."
 FIRST FOMC 0.25% RATE INCREASE MAY NOT IMPACT BOND MARKET.....Brinker said:  When they (Federal Reserve) talk about a quarter percent, what they are talking about is that the expectation is, the first time that the Federal Reserve raises short-term interest rates – and that will be data dependent as chair Janet has said repeatedly (she said it again this week in her statement), that they expect that the most likely amount of the rate increase would be one quarter of 1%.  That doesn't mean that there would only ever be one one quarter of 1% rate increase.  It would mean that the expectation is that the first time the Fed raises rates – whenever that turns out to be – that it would be one quarter of 1%.  That may or may not turn out to be a factor in the bond market because it's such a tiny increase and it's coming off basically a zero level.  It may not have a whole lot of impact.

TWO CALLS, TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO BE HONEST ABOUT GINNIE MAE

VANGUARD BOND ETF (BND)...Caller Dave from Albuquerque said he owned BND wanted to know Brinker's opinion about the duration and told Brinker that he only cared about collecting the interest and didn't care about a net-asset decline if interest rates rise.

Brinker replied:  If you don't care about the underlying value of the portfolio – in other words it swings in either direction don't concern you one way or the other, if your only concern is getting the regular interest payments, then it doesn't make any difference to you what they price of the ETF is because you only care about the interest.  So is that the category you are in? (John: "Yes")  Well there you go.  You see I've said this before – for those who don't care at all that don't care at all about the underlying net asset value of the securities, they're only interested in the interest, then that is where the focus is.…  For my taste, 5 1/2 years is too long a duration.  It's not my recommendation.  It's certainly not my approach to fixed income at this time.  But if somebody doesn't care about the underlying value, it doesn't make any difference at that point.

Honey EC: Brinker laid the groundwork for the next call on Ginnie Maes -- putting the focus on John not caring about net-asset-value on a 5.6% ETF,  thus establishing a red herring so that he could talk about Ginnie Maes  as a comparison and avoid mentioning what a disaster it was for him to sell all Marketimer GNMA holdings in July of 2013 - Next call:

VANGUARD GINNIE MAE FUND (VFIIX)....Caller John from New York said that about 65% of his portfolio in VFIIX -- should he sell?

Brinker replied: They have a duration right now an average of 3.3 years.  So that's not a big number.  That's way different than our prior caller who doesn't care what happens to the net asset value in the terms of volatility.  He said that point blank when I asked him.  But his duration was 5.6.  Your duration is 3.3, which means you have much less volatility than a 5.6.  For every one point increase in corresponding rates, you have about 3.3 net asset value risk.  So in a situation like yours, where you are comfortable with the holding, we get back to the same question, how much do you care whether the net asset value of the security goes down?......

.....I would say this, you are comfortable with the holding, you don't seem to care a whole lot about net asset value fluctuation, you could have a capital gain if you're a long-term holder… Your duration is not much different than the duration I am recommending.  The duration I'm recommending is close to two and you are at 3.3.  So there isn't that much difference there.....The amount of risk that John is taking holding a 3.3 is basically if rates went 3%, he's taking a 10% price risk, but 3% would be a lot right now.....

.....The Federal Reserve is having a hard time raising rates at all.…  In order to get 3%, you'd have to have an acceleration in the economy – and we don't see that right now.…  You've been looking at zero interest rate since December 2008, and you've never had an acceleration of the economy.  Just about every single year you've had growth about two and a fraction… And the absence of that acceleration has been the reason that rates have been able to stay where they are.…  So I don't think  in John's particular case, it's a really big deal, especially given the fact that his duration is low to begin with.  Not as low as I would like but nonetheless it's low.

Honey EC: Spin, spin, spin.... Brinker used to reassure callers that the NAV of VFIIX would fluctuate between $9.50 and $10.50. That was before the NAV grew to over $11.00. Then he started telling people that if they couldn't tolerate price declines, they could use FDIC-insured CDs.   

Brinker held VFIIX until it dropped to $10.37 and sold all Marketimer holdings in July, 2013. He put that cash into Fidelity Floating Rate Fund.

VFIIX is now selling for $10.79 and still pays almost 3% dividend. And Brinker has now sold all FFRHX and returned to DoubleLine Total Return Fund (DLTNX) which he had sold for a much shorter duration fund.

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT DOWN TO 0.2 in Q1 - HERE'S WHY....Brinker comments: The news has been coming fast and furious in terms of investments.  Not the smallest story of the week was something we predicted on last week's program, if you were with us.  And that was a lousy Gross Domestic Product report which came out at the end of the week.  Real GDP was up just 2/10 of 1% in the first quarter.  Certainly better than the first quarter of 2014 which was in negative territory – hold number territory.…

HERE'S WHY GDP REPORT WAS LOUSY.... Brinker continued: Couple of factors that jump off the page and one of them is weather.  We had one of the coldest February's of all time.…  I've said it before – the whole global warming thing, we are all going to freeze to death – just be patient.  Another factor in the first quarter which happily is no longer with us was the West Coast port strike.  We had an extended and extensive strike affecting the Long Beach California port....These factors are behind us and will not return soon.

ONGOING GDP KILLER - STRONG DOLLAR.....Brinker continued: A couple of other factors that are still out there and must be respected for what they are.  One of them is the strong dollar.  The greenback has just been on a tear and as long as there is this kind of strength in the dollar, US exports, when they go overseas on the shelves are more expensive.  Therefore, competitive products overseas have a better shot at getting the sale.  And there is also another issue which is the products imported into the US,  they are cheaper when the dollar is this strong. This gives those who import products the opportunity to be more competitive.

DECLINE IN OIL PRICES ALSO GDP KILLER.... Brinker continued: Now the other thing that has been going on is one that we have talked about many times, which is that the decline in oil prices has led to a decline in capital investment in the energy area – which has always been a very strong area in capital investment.  Yes we have seen a pretty good rebound in the price of oil back into the mid-to-upper 50s, up from the low 40s… But the reality is that the number of rigs that have come out of service in the past several months has been amazing.  The rate count is way down and that affects capital investment as well.

EXPECT BETTER ECONOMIC GROWTH IN Q-2.... Brinker continued: We should certainly expect to see some improvement in the second quarter real GDP numbers.  Remember what happened last year?  We had that really rough first quarter and then the economy rebounded quite well.  In the last year, real GDP has risen 3%.…  Which by the way is fairly close to the long-term growth track.  So on a 12 month basis, we've had a decent economy.

BRINKER'S FUN QUOTE OF THE DAY: "In my opinion, being on a golf course is as close to heaven as you are going to get on this planet."

JEFFCHRISTIE'S MONEYTALK FINAL EXAM QUESTION OF THE DAY:

Bob Brinker used which one of the following scandals to describe the current business news?
A) IRS abuse.
B) Fast and furious.
C) Benghazi.
D) Solyndra.

ANSWER  

Brinker's guest-speaker was Michael Casey: The Age of Cryptocurrency: How Bitcoin and Digital Money Are Challenging the Global Economic Order

Note: Frankj thought this guest was boring (several others agree with him), so he didn't summarize the third hour. However, Brinker had another guest on talking about Bitcoins in July of last year. Frankj did a summary. You can read it HERE.

Frankj sent a picture of his three visitors. Notice the beautiful Chinese Wisteria tree in the background. I'm sure his special cat, Hobbes, was somewhere nearby when this was taken. 



Summary posted at 7:06pm PDT
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55 comments:

frankj said...

Not my intent to turn this into a Mutual Admiration Society, but HB does a great job of summarizing the show, and quickly. Adding the insight is useful for new people who find the blog.

Kudos, HB

Al in SJ said...

What? No one posted comments yet. I'm amazed to be the first.

Bluce said...

Well Honey, I guess nobody else is around today, but I am. I did miss part of the show, but I just read your summary so I'm up to speed.

Thanks, as always!

Honeybee said...

Hi Al...I hadn't published Frankj's comments yet, so you are second.....Comments always post in the order that they hit my email.

Good to hear from my old friend. :)

Honeybee said...

Thanks Frankj....I really appreciate your encouraging comments! :)

Honeybee said...

Hi Bluce....I had gone away from my computer after working on the summary for 3 hours to have some dinner, so wasn't putting through comments for awhile.

I'll have to do that more often if it gets me so many nice comments. :)

tfb said...

Well Bob gave slightly better advice regarding the 4% rule, but still overall horrific advice.

We all know he monitors this blog, Bob why don't you just not golf one day and crack some industry literature on the appropriateness of the 4% rule?

The very idea that you now have repeatedly recommend the 4% rule to callers without regard for their age(and genetics and health) and that of their spouse is IRRESPONSIBLE.

Additionally you should make inquiry as to their desire to leave a legacy.

tfb

gabe said...

Futures are up this AM.

The Barn did well this weekend. We had 2 horses win and one came in third.

Love those fillies!

Gabe

Bob said...

Give Bob a break re: the 4% rule. It's a good general guideline and has been for years.

Bob can't possiblly take the time to inquire about the caller's health, genetics, legacy plans etc. That would be boring radio and of absolutely no use to other listeners.

To say his general advice about the 4% rule is horrific and irresponsible is....horrific and irresponsible.

CMB said...

Bob Brinker said:

"HERE'S WHY GDP REPORT WAS LOUSY.... Brinker continued: Couple of factors that jump off the page and one of them is weather. We had one of the coldest February's of all time.… I've said it before – the whole global warming thing, we are all going to freeze to death – just be patient."

What leaps off the page at me is how wildly mistaken this assessment is because it is based on an assumption which is not proven by the data. Bob Brinker ASSUMES cold weather reduces GDP, as just about every pundit does these days. This just shows that none of them has looked into it . . . AT ALL.

GDP actually is better when it is colder in the first quarter. Before Obama, and outside of recessions, the twelve coldest first quarters since 1946 as measured by Heating Degree Days, Bob Brinker's preferred measure according to a show in recent weeks, produced average nominal GDP gain from the fourth quarter to the first of 2.99%. The warmest twelve by contrast produced an average gain of only 1.64%, 45% worse.

Applying the same analysis to the whole record since 1946 shows the same thing. The colder half of first quarters shows average GDP gain of 2.5%, the warmer half 2.1%, 16% worse on average.

Obama has had the tenth coldest first quarter since 1946, in 2014, and also the very hottest in the series, in 2012, yet his winter average after six first quarters outside of recession languishes at 0.48%. Even hapless George W. Bush did phenomenally better in winter than that, averaging 1.48%.

Whether hot or cold or somewhere in between, under Obama GDP in winter just fails to launch, and uniquely so.

jm

gabe said...

Agree with Bob re: 7:17 AM!

Gabe

Bob (not THAT Bob) said...

Re:

"SELL BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY TO GET DIVERSITY AND DIVIDEND.... Caller Tom from Naperville said his aunt gave him 3 shares, worth about $216,000 per share, and wanted to know if he should hold it or sell it."

Honeybee, I am confused. Was this a gift or an inheritance? Tom says it was a gift, but Bob (THAT Bob) responds as if it was an inheritance.

Thank you for clarifying.

Oh, and to all:
May the fourth be with you!

Honeybee said...
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Honeybee said...

(Not THAT) Bob.... It was an inheritance because Brinker and Tom talked about the date of death as being the (tax) value of the stock.

As I recall, at one point, Tom indicated that his aunt had died a long time ago -- certainly more than ten years. But that didn't make Brinker change the answer that he wanted to give to Tom, even though he had to know it did not apply to Tom.

If anyone wants more of the details that Tom gave, let me know, I can find it on my archaic audio tape and transcribe it for you....

Ken said...

If you think about it, why would anyone want to call an investment question into a radio program when you can post it on Bogleheads, Morningstar, or many other good forums?

With the radio program, you get one quickly formulated answer that may be inaccurate or incomplete. A good forum thread often has multiple answers covering all bases and is a much better way to go.

Bob (not THAT Bob) said...

Thank you Honeybee!

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Ken said:

"With the radio program, you get one quickly formulated answer that may be inaccurate or incomplete. A good forum thread often has multiple answers covering all bases and is a much better way to go.


Jerrod Clarkson says:

Excellent point, Ken!

In the case of Tom's inheritance question, Bob seems to be very light on questions and even lighter on answers.

For instance, I think Bob should have asked questions such as Tom's age, tax bracket, when he plans to retire, etc.

Based on Tom's answers (and in the interest of time) Bob should have given him some generalized answers (describing them as such), then suggest that in this case Tom should speak at length with both an accountant and a financial professional.

As for the advice Bob gave, it seems like it was just something he pulled out of the air. For instance, in this case I say dividends "schmividends". Who cares? BRK/A has outpaced SPY since the turn of this century and not by just a few percentage points!

Here is the performance of each (12/31/99 - 5/4/15):
SPY +89.63%
BRK/A +290.91%

I have no BRK/A stock, nor do I plan to buy any at this time. However, if Tom's aunt gifted me with those shares I would NOT cash them out to buy SPY. It just doesn't make any sense!

Jerrod Clarkson

Honeybee said...

Jerrod...Thank you so much for that info about Berkshire. That is an astounding difference between it and SPY. Of course, Total Stock Market would be very similar to SPY.

John L said...

Although Bob mentioned the cold winter slowing down the economy, he oversimplified. It was in fact
a combination of cold weather and the huge amounts of winter precipitation. As someone who does business with the northeast from Chicago, I experienced almost 2 month delays where a week was normal. "Weather related disruptions to the supply chains" was the reason I was given.
The temperature thing just gave Bob an excuse to use his lame global warming joke.
As a scientist Bob makes a great investment advisor.

CMB said...

John L said:

"It was in fact a combination of cold weather and the huge amounts of winter precipitation."

Not, in fact. Of the last 49 winters from 1967 in the lower 48, the first quarter of 2015 ranked 31 for snow cover, 25% less snow-covered than the median winter. For temperature it ranked 35, almost 43% warmer than the median winter.

If Obama, the media and other servants understood the data, they would be blaming poor GDP on global warming. Instead they blame it on the cold and snow, which is hilarious because GDP historically is better in winter when winter is nastier.

Smartest president ever ... Hahahaha.

jm

gabe said...

What a crummy Market!

Gabe

Bob said...

...which is hilarious because GDP historically is better in winter when winter is nastier....

If you can prove a statistical correlation between nasty weather and a higher GNP I will eat your hat!

CMB said...

Bob said:

"If you can prove a statistical correlation between nasty weather and a higher GNP I will eat your hat!"

Coldest twelve first quarters since 1946, before Obama and outside of recession, using heating degree days, with nominal Q1GDP gain measured from the preceding quarter:

1978 1.8% GDP
1979 2.0%
1960 1.9%
1948 3.8%
1963 1.6%
1969 3.1%
1977 2.6%
1962 3.4%
1965 2.9%
1947 4.3%
1971 4.6%
1966 3.9%

Average gain: 2.99%

Warmest twelve, same parameters:

1990 2.3% GDP
1998 1.1%
2000 1.0%
2006 2.0%
1953 2.6%
2002 1.2%
1992 1.6%
1999 1.3%
1986 1.6%
1997 1.3%
1995 0.9%
1976 2.8%

Average gain: 1.64%.

The coldest perform 82% better than the hottest, on average.

For the whole series, you get 25 first quarters either side of a cold/hot Mason-Dixon line outside of recession before Obama. The colder average 2.5% GDP, the warmer 2.1%. Now Mr. Obama, he can only muster an average of 0.48% GDP in the winter, with just one more first quarter to go . . . unless of course the NBER declares a recession. But hot or cold doesn't really seem to matter in his case; he's an extreme outlier in the record which nothing so prosaic as the weather can explain.

Temperature data comes from the National Climatic Data Center. Quarterly GDP data is conveniently posted at multpl.com. Recessions removed per dates from NBER.

Now about that hat. I wear a wool Stetson big enough to hold a .357 magnum, but I won't insist you eat that.

jm

Bob said...

All that mumbo jumbo stuff about the temperatures is a time waster. It proves no causal relationship at all. You have to do a statistical regression analysis.

GNP growth may be tied to sunspots or womens hemlines too.

You've proven no causal relationship.

CMB said...

Bob said:

"It proves no causal relationship at all."

Nice try, Bob. You asked for correlation, and accuse me of claiming causation.

I never said cold weather caused better GDP. I observed GDP in winter is better when it's coldest, and poor when it's warmest, which means you can't blame cold weather for poor GDP, which is the excuse du jour.

Other important factors might include the increasing absence of vigor in an aging population, the retreat to warmer western and southern climes, the export of working and middle class jobs, the catastrophically dropping birth rate, increasing government dependency and failed public schools.

But thanks for elevating the conversation with women's hemlines.

jm

CMB said...

Bob also said:

"All that mumbo jumbo stuff about the temperatures is a time waster. It proves no causal relationship at all. You have to do a statistical regression analysis."

Why don't you ask for one from the people who are actually claiming there's a causal relationship between cold winter and poor GDP, like the president, his spokesmen, media pundits like Bob Brinker and Larry Kudlow, and economists like Brian Wesbury, and then get back to us?

jm

Bob said...

"...I observed GDP in winter is better when it's coldest, and poor when it's warmest, which means you can't blame cold weather for poor GDP...

Oh no you don't. Just because something is coincidental does not mean there is a correlation. As you "method" illustrates. It doesn't work when there is a recession...or Obama is in office...or...

You blew off my comment about sunspots or womens hemlines. What if there a relationship between GDP growth and those?

Would you say there was a correlation?

You can not prove a correlation without a statistical regression analysis. Absent that, you have anecdotal evidence at best.

Bob said...

More directly, we can test for a statistical relationship between weather data and growth rates in GPDI and even its components.  Admittedly, these tests give us only correlations, not causal impacts. Nonetheless, using the full-sample of NCDC data, I regressed first quarter GPDI growth rates on the anomaly from the mean temperature.  I also regressed (separately) the nonresidential structures and equipment subcomponents of GPDI on the same temperature variable.

These results suggest there is no relationship, on average, between investment in any of these variables and extreme temperatures.  

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2014/6/dont-blame-it-on-the-weather

Honeybee said...

Bob...That is a great article. Thanks for sharing.

EXCERPTS:

Don't Blame It on the Weather

By Norbert J. Michel, Ph.D.

Despite massive fiscal and monetary stimulus since the financial crisis, the economy continues to disappoint. The big news this past week was that the BEA revised its first quarter GDP estimate downward to reflect a 1% decline – far worse than its previous estimate of 0.1% quarter-to-quarter growth.

Why so bad? A popular explanation seems to be the weather. Fed Chair Janet Yellen is just one of the many economists touting this view. Recently she told the congressional Joint Economic Committee:

“Although real GDP growth is currently estimated to have paused in the first quarter of this year, I see that pause as mostly reflecting transitory factors, including the effects of the unusually cold and snowy winter weather.”

Weather? That’s the best a trained economist can do? Blaming these numbers on an unusually cold winter falls somewhere between mild avoidance and a complete cop-out. For starters, the GDP numbers are seasonally adjusted, so any “normal” winter-related slowdown is already accounted for as best as possible.

Statistically isolating only the extraordinary cold-weather impact is admittedly a nearly impossible task, but several basic comparisons show how unsatisfying the claim really is.

Let’s start with the components of GDP that were responsible for the decline. The two main culprits were the “gross private domestic investment” and “net export of goods and services” categories.

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gabe said...

R/O a 5% correction!

Gabe

Honeybee said...

Gabe....What does R/O mean?

gabe said...

HB: It is a short hand way of saying to Rule Out.

Used most frequently in Medicine to suggest that it is possibility that a particular illness is a distinct possibility. So... a possibility exists for the Market correcting 5%.

Thanks,

Gabe

Honeybee said...

Thanks Gabe.....I'm not very good at figuring out puzzles, and don't want to spend the time investigating to find out.

CMB said...

Bob said:

'Oh no you don't. Just because something is coincidental does not mean there is a correlation. As you "method" illustrates. It doesn't work when there is a recession...or Obama is in office...or...'

One removes recession on the assumption that it is caused by the business cycle, not because it disproves the analysis. For example, in the case of Bush the addition of recession actually makes his record look much better and Obama's look even worse by comparison. One removes current GDP under Obama in order to establish the baseline against which to compare his recent performance. That's all in an effort to be fair to him, not to be prejudiced.

The people blaming poor GDP on poor weather are grasping for the coincidence of cold weather without realizing there is instead a long record of correlation of warm weather with poor GDP.

As I made clear, however, GDP in winter under Obama is an outlier, whether it's the hottest first quarter since 1946, in 1Q2012, or the tenth coldest, in 1Q2014. The point is the weather argument is bogus because current GDP is so lousy either way, whether it's hot or cold. Something else is the problem.

I actually agree with Norbert Michel and profited from that article last year. I made the same point about Canada's GDP here in the comments section which he made in his article, that despite the brutal winter Canada had positive GDP while we had negative. But keep in mind his regression analysis only tested for a relationship between extreme cold and poor GDPI, not extreme warmth and poor GDP. And most importantly, he admits the analysis, even if it found a correlation, which it didn't, does not establish causality. He is proving my point: GDPI resisted the impacts of cold weather. It's what Americans do when it's cold, at least until recently.

jm

Bob (not THAT Bob) said...

Honeybee,

Some say that this market is in tilt. It is very easy to find out if that is so.

All you need do is type the word tilt into your Google search bar and you can determine if you are in agreement.

PS: We don't need no stinkin' proprietary forecasting model!

Bluce said...

Bob (not THAT Bob): If you search for "Tilting at windmills," Li'l Bobby's (not YOURS) cantankerous timing model shows up.

frankj said...

Seasonal adjustments.

An economist jumped into his swimming pool on the 4th of July and bashed his butt on the bottom.

He got out, his wife asked him what happened and he said, "I just forgot to seasonally adjust the water level."

If weather is responsible for the health of the economy, put the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Admin in charge of the Fed. Or just give the Chair job to any one of those hundreds of hot weather babes on TV.

That's my politically incorrect comment for the day.

Chair Yellen spoke up about stock market valuations today at some conference. Look out below!

Bluce said...

Fact: As the consumption of ice cream goes up, so do the number of drownings.

Conclusion: Eating ice cream will increase your chances of drowning.






Well, not really. One has nothing to do with the other. But there is something that DOES tie them together: hot weather.

Jim said...

I wouldn't be too concerned about Fed Chair Yellen's comment on stock valuations. I went back and looked how the market did after Greenspan's "Irrational Exuberance" speech in Dec. 1996. The stock market returned 33.4% in 1997, 28.6% in 1998, and finally 21% in 1999. So it would appear that Fed chairs are no better at market timing than anyone else. Valuations are nowhere near levels reached in 2000. I hope Brinker is hosting this Sunday to give his response to her comment.

tfb said...

ob said...
Give Bob a break re: the 4% rule. It's a good general guideline and has been for years.


The 4% rule has never been a good general guideline. It has been thoroughly discredited as a general guideline. While I do not know about the college for financial planning (CFP designation) I do know the American College in Bryn Mawr, will boil you alive for suggesting it.

What is ridiculous is it is so easy to through a few simple caveats around the 4% rule to nullify the damage that inadvertently may be done by implementing it.

I ti scrap like this that sinks Brinker to the level of a hack.

CMB said...

Bluce said:

"Conclusion: Eating ice cream will increase your chances of drowning."

A regression analysis of ice cream store sales conducted by a think tank found no evidence correlating sales of ice creams over sorbets and other non-dairy products in the deaths, as claimed by a Vegan advocacy organization.

jm

Bob (not THAT Bob) said...

Sometimes it seems that Bob's advice is backwards and upside down.

lǝpoɯ ƃuᴉɯᴉʇ ʎɹɐʇǝᴉɹdoɹԀ

gabe said...

I see nothing wrong with the 4% rule. It has been very helpful to me!

Gabe

gabe said...

Today, Ms Yellen retracted and or changed some of her verbiage of yesterday which pulled the Market lower. Although we were off the highest of the day, we did finish in the green.

I see a big number tomorrow. +300K!

Gabe

CMB said...

I'll take the under Gabe: 196K.

jm

gabe said...

I best stick with horse ownership! I missed by a bunch.
Congrats to jm! He came closer with the Job Number.

Gabe

Dan G said...

"Sometimes it seems that Bob's advice is backwards and upside down."

The market is near all time highs and Bob remains fully invested. How can that be "backwards and upside down"?

- Dan G

Honeybee said...

(Not THAT Bob).... "
lǝpoɯ ƃuᴉɯᴉʇ ʎɹɐʇǝᴉɹdoɹԀ" Very clever! LOL!

Honeybee said...

Hi Dan....Some of us have been wondering if you were okay. It's good to hear from you.

gabe said...

A nice rally today. I guess the employment number met expectations!

Gabe

gabe said...

Market up by 1% this past week.

Gabe

Jerrod Clarkson said...

ECRI admits “False Alarm”


Jerrod Clarkson

Bob said...

ECRI finally admits they blew it big time almost FIVE YEARS AGO!

Blowing a call is understandable but the hubris of Lakshman is not easily forgotten. He has been pounding the public table for YEARS insisting he was right and would be vindicated once the final adjustments were made. He even tried to insist that we were ALREADY in a recession but nobody else could see it.

It's too late Lak...own it!

John L. said...

Anyone here who truly believes that severe winter weather does not stifle commerce and there fore the GDP for the affected area (and time period) is from another planet and or has never had a real job in the real world. Or maybe they just have some lame, political agenda?
In addition, "global warming" models have correctly predicted much more severe weather... not exclusively locally "hotter" weather.

CMB said...

Hey John L!

When I say that GDP in winter is poorer when it's warmer and better when it's colder it's not a political agenda, it's just data. Sorry you don't like it. Another fact you won't like is recession in winter is more than twice as frequent when it's warmer, too. If you have any facts to present beyond ad hominem argument, beliefs and models, go for it.

jm