Saturday, September 10, 2011

2011 Intraday "Correction" Statistics 09/09/11

September 10, 2011.....Bob Brinker called the stock market correction "noise" when it was at 5%.  Perhaps tomorrow, we will find out what he has to say about an 18.3% decline.

July 31, 2011, Bob Brinker said:
"I know many of you also have been taking advantage of  the dollar-cost-averaging opportunities on short-term weakness - and certainly it's minor. I mean, 5% is really noise when you look at the market over time.......If you've been listening to this broadcast, we have not been part of the panic-brigade here on Moneytalk."

Thank you to  Kirk Lindstrom, who posted the following in the comments section of the previous article:

Kirk said...

Speaking of truth....

2011 Intraday "Correction" Statistics 09/09/11 


[Honey, in edit: Thanks SIVbum, here is an update with the corrected numbers]

S&P 500 Intraday Statistics

Date of last bull market high 05/02/11
Last Bull Market High: 1,370.58
Date of last low: 08/09/11
Intraday Low: 1,101.54
Decline in Pts: 269.04
Decline in %: 19.6%
S&P500 Chart
 
Kirk said: It reminds me of 1998 when Brinker called a bottom after a 10% correction then the market went down another 10%... all while fully invested. I think he used closing values to show he was just under 20.0% for the correction so he didn't miss a bear.

19.6% decline rounds up to 20%... so that could be low enough for many to call it a bear and a bottom. Interesting.

Today QQQ is $53.18 which is down 39.5% from $87.87, the highest QQQ was while Brinker was recommending it for up to 50% of cash reserves.

You can see an actual copy of the special bulletin advising purchase of the NASDAQ100 via QQQ HERE.

How would it have affected model portfolios? Glad you asked.  Effect of Bob Brinker's QQQQ advice on his Reported Model Portfolio Returns

[quote from Kirk's link above]  "Conclusion:  I calculate the QQQQ advice caused Brinker's reported total to drop by 29% and his APR to drop 2.0% a year such that his portfolio under performs the buy and holders of the Wilshire 5000 by 1.3% per year since the inception of P1."
 
Truth... best shark repellent ever!

Honey here: So if Brinker had not given himself a mulligan on those model portfolio cash reserves, his returns would be well below market returns. And the cost of paying for his advice since then would have added up to $1,850  big smackeroos!!

As of today,  it looks like Brinker is going down the same path he did in  2007.  At the beginning of the  megabear bear market, he was predicting S&P 500 Index of 1650.

In January, Brinker was predicting S&P 500 Index would reach "low-to-mid 1400's" in 2011.  Since then  we've had an 18% correction from the YTD top.... In September, without mentioning that he was making a  change, he extended that prediction to 2012. 

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11 comments:

birdbrain said...

5.5 S&P 500 points. It may come down to that.

Thanks to Kirk for the statistics.
He has 1370.58 on May 2 as the recent intraday high, and I see 1363.61 on Apr 29 as the closing high. Therefore:

1370.58 - 20% 1096.46
1363.61 - 20% 1090.89

Mr B has always stressed the closing numbers for an official bear market, which in this instance gives him those precious points as a lifesaver to cling to, praying for a rebound should we get to those levels.

If we do, that may mean

a) Sundays with fill-in Lynn until a market recovery

b) repeat callers patched together from old shows

c) no mention of stocks from the Marketimer until said rebound

Honeybee said...

Thank you for clarifying that for us, Birdbrain!

Yes, Brinker has always used the closing numbers. So that indeed, usually give him a few precious, lifesaving points to protect him from having to admit that the market reached bear territory during these "intermediate" corrections.

My guess for tomorrow is (c)....

Anonymous said...

I still remember Brinker bashing long term bonds as early 2003. One of the best investments since 2003 - long term bonds.

He finally got on the gold train after being left behind after a 5 bagger.

Will be all job speech this weekend. Nothing about the market.

Joey

Anonymous said...

All three charts DIA, SPY and QQQ the 50 DMA has crossed below the 200 DMA. This cannot be a good sign of things to come. September is on record of being the worst month for the stock market. Not sure October is much better

Anonymous said...

Joey said, September 11, 2011 5:54 AM

(Brinker’s show), “Will be all job speech this weekend. Nothing about the market.”

I think Joey is right. Brinker will take up Obama’s job plan, and tell his listeners that it must pass to get our economy on the move again. He will rail against the tea party and other fiscal conservatives. He will complain bitterly that they are in the way of progress and had it not been for their opposition to the debt ceiling increase, the market and his sample portfolio would be in much better shape.

CDB

Anonymous said...

Oh yes, and talking a lot about 9/11 will give him a built in excuse to ignore the market and his market timing failures.

CDB

sivbum said...

Intraday lows were worse:

52Wk High <> LOD <> Delta <> Date
12876 <> 10604.07 <> -17.64% <> 9-Aug
2887.75 <> 2331.65 <> -19.26% <> 9-Aug
1370.58 <> 1101.54 <> -19.63% <> 9-Aug
48.38 <> 28.86 <> -40.35% <> 18-Aug

sivbum said...

Aug 9, 2011
Intraday low was 1,101.54 per yahoo finance:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=%5EGSPC+Historical+Prices

It nearly went into bear land on that day.

Kirk Lindstrom said...

Thanks SIVbum

Here is an update with the corrected numbers:

S&P 500 Intraday Statistics

Date of last bull market high 05/02/11
Last Bull Market High: 1,370.58
Date of last low: 08/09/11
Intraday Low: 1,101.54
Decline in Pts: 269.04
Decline in %: 19.6%

Maybe Honeybee can correct the article.

It reminds me of 1998 when Brinker called a bottom after a 10% correction then the market went down another 10%... all while fully invested. I think he used closing values to show he was just under 20.0% for the correction so he didn't miss a bear.

19.6% decline rounds up to 20%... so that could be low enough for many to call it a bear and a bottom. Interesting.

Honeybee said...

Thank you so much, Sivbum....That is an important correction.

As you said, it came real close to bear territory on August 9th...

Close enough for general purposes, but looks like we lucked out because the close that day was about 72 points higher.

Here is your link:

GSPC Historical Prices

Anonymous said...

Hi! Thanks for the update! Du you know here I can find intraday statistic from other years?