Sunday, January 22, 2012

January 22, 2012, Bob Brinker's Moneytalk: Summary, Excerpts, Commentary and Discussion


January 22, 2012....Bob Brinker hosted Moneytalk today...........(comments welcome)

STOCK MARKET....Bob said: "Stock market off to a good start in 2012. We are only three weeks into the new year and the S&P 500 Index is up about 4 1/2%. It is off to its best start in fifteen years....at 1315 level....It ended the year where it started the year at 1257.6 level." 

Honey EC:  Last spring before the stock market corrected 20% -- twice, Bob was also touting how well it was doing. In early spring, he even cautioned a caller about selling stock and having to buy back at higher prices -- oops.   

And now this year,  the stock market has a ways to go to reach Bob's expectations from the March 2011 Marketimer: Bob wrote: "We expect the S&P 500 Index to reach the low-to-mid 1400's range within the next year." How ironic! That is the exact level that Bob called a "gift-horse" buying-opportunity in the fall of 2007,  as the S&P  was reaching its all-time-high of 1567. 

RECESSION/ECONOMY.....Bob said: "Those forecasting recession, well they have been wrong so far. The economy continues to grow. We are looking for the fourth quarter real gross domestic product growth rate, which will be coming out soon, to increase over the third quarter rate.....Full year growth for 2011 looks to be very close to 1.5%.....Now 1.5% is the mid-point of the 1% to 2% growth rate that was projected on Moneytalk many months ago."

Honey EC: What Bob didn't say is that he changed his projection in August 2011. That is when he began talking about it on Moneytalk.  What he has not told the audience, and even Marketimer subscribers may miss it,  is this:
* July 2011 Marketimer, Bob Brinker wrote: "We expect real gross domestic product (GDP) to grow 2% to 3% this year...."
* August 2011 Marketimer, Bob Brinker wrote: "We estimate real gross domestic product (GDP) growth this year will be in the range of 1% to 2%."
EMPLOYMENT/JOBS.....Bob said: "Employment is growing too. An average of  136,000 new jobs monthly created in 2011. This despite the continuing shrinkage of public sector employment. Private sector jobs growth is carrying the mother-lode of employment growth at this point.....So government services and benefits are going to continue to disappear because the money is just not there. That will be at the federal, the state and local levels."

CORPORATE BUY BACKS....Bob said that corporate buy backs rose 46% last year.....almost all on in the open market.....it's a means of reinvesting retained earnings for the companies...and that produces demand for the shares.....it also produces higher earnings per share because the earnings are spread over fewer shares outstanding when Treasury stock is purchased out of  retained earnings.


Honey EC: Here is a Wall Street Journal article   "Upside: How to Profit From Stock Buybacks."

DOW INCREASING DIVIDENDS THIS YEAR.....Bob said: "Dow Jones Industrial Average stocks are on track to increase dividends in 2012 by an estimated 12%, so there is no doubt about it, companies are looking at their stocks and buying them back more than.....in 2011....And earnings are very good.....That's what the stock market is all about.....Investors responds when earnings and dividends are doing better and that's what we've been looking at here -- for sure." 

CALLER ROBERT ASKS ABOUT VANGUARD WELLESLEY INCOME FUND (VWINX):  Bob Brinker gave no location for this caller named "Robert." "Robert" said: "I'm just interested in keeping what I got and I wondered how you felt about dividend growth and Wellesley Income -- just split them."

Honey EC: Was this caller holding his nose while he talked or did he have a stuffy head from a bad cold or was he trying to disguise his voice? Why didn't Bob give a location that he was calling from? Was it a planted call? If you want to listen to it, it's in the first hour  -- third caller.


Bob replied to Robert: "Well Robert, with reference to that question, I have had a fondness, if you will, for the Vanguard Wellesley Income Fund. In fact, I thought so much of that fund that I have included it in my model portfolio III, which is a balanced portfolio for those approaching or in retirement.  And I've also included some shares of that fund in my income portfolio, which is the page 7 investment letter portfolio for income investors. Both of those portfolios, I have included weightings in the Vanguard Wellesley Income Fund..."

VANGUARD GINNIE MAE FUND (VFIIX):  Michael in California asked if one should use the  Ginnie Mae Fund for all fixed income investing.

Bob replied: "I don't do that, Michael. We've had Ginnie Mae Funds,  and have had for many years,  in our recommended portfolios........We have a weighting in the income portfolio on page seven. We have a weighting in the balanced model portfolio III on page eight. That is for those approaching  or in retirement.....But we have a weighting there and it's nowhere near the entire weighting in our income portfolio. So we have included it, but we have not included it to the exclusion of everything else."

Honey EC: What Bob didn't say is that he has sold off large percentages of the Ginnie Mae Fund. Now the income portfolio, which used to be 40% Ginnie Mae Fund,  is only 15% weighting. Please see my post right below this one for more details on these changes. 


I-BONDS: There were three callers today who had purchased 2001 I-Bonds. They all said that they had done very well with them. Bob congratulated them on a job well-done.

WILL FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC CLOSE? Caller John from Illinois asked Bob if he thought Fannie and Freddie might close down. Bob stated if that happened, it would be the end of the housing market because the mortgage market would be frozen.......they underpin the viability of the mortgage market.....they continue to operate and are solvent because of  government money.

INFLATION THREAT?  Bob said: "Until we see a rate of growth in the economy that is consistent with inflation....In order to get that kind of inflation threat, you would have to have above trend real growth.....That would be a sustained trend -- we're not talking about one quarter here -- where you would see real gross domestic product growing in excess of 3 1/2%. I'm convinced if you were to see real GDP growth in the mid-to-high single digits, that that would create inflation. Some people disagree with this. I feel secure in this belief. That would give you an inflation threat. In the absence of that, I don't think you have one."

GREECE: In the second hour monologue, Bob talked at length about Greece and its bonds, sovereign debt, credit default swaps and hedge funds.

Honey EC: If you are interested in this subject, Bob gave out a lot of good information. I recommend that you download hour two of the program and listen to the opening monologue. 

HOUSING MARKET: Bob repeated what he said last week, that the housing market seems to be bottoming.

COMEDY SKIT OF THE DAY
 Caller Carol from Santa Barbara (who said she's been a follower since 1999) said: "Thank you for the recommendation on  I-Bonds. I bought a lot of them and I'm a happy camper. As well as other great recommendations you've made, so thank you first. Also, I love your Marketimer on Demand and the newsletter, everything you do is fabulous as far as I'm concerned."
Bob replied: "Thank you Carol. You are definitely wonderful."
 Honey EC:  During entertaining and amusing moments like that,  I join the  Bob Brinker Fan Club. LOL! 

Bob guest-author was Suzanne McGee:  Chasing Goldman Sachs: How the Masters of the Universe Melted Wall Street Down...And Why They'll Take Us to the Brink Again

You can download and listen to  (or save) the program from KSFO 560. It will be archived there for the next seven days.

Dixiegeezer sent this picture that he took at a Florida beach tonight. Click to enlarge. It's stunning:



17 comments:

jeffchristie said...

Bob's guest author Suzanne McGee said: "We tend to elevate to God like status people who made us money." Then she went on to say: One good call doesn't make someone a guru." Earlier caller Carol in Santa Barbara seemed to be a great example of what she was talking about.

Carol ask Bob about her mortgage which was $182K. I thought homes in Santa Barbara would be a lot more expensive than that. A search on the internet showed that modest homes in the 1,500 sq/ft area have an asking price around $750K. I was able to find some smaller condo's (1,000 sq/ft) at $400K. Maybe her $182K mortgage was a remaining portion of a much larger loan. I wish Bob would have ask her some more detailed questions about her house.

john said...

Carol said Bob everything you
do is fabulous as far as I'm concerned.....John said Bob everything you do has a motive and that is to make money.You will sell your marketimer to whomever as long as you get the check. Using your wit Bob you will still be able to pump out the crap to the unsuspecting public. Keep up the good work Bob and keep the presses running I love everything you do John ( thanks for summary honeybee)

Anonymous said...

Frankj:

A caller asked if GNMAs would be OK for your only bond holding in a portfolio. BB didn't seem to answer his question directly. I thought we'd hear something about credit risk, interest rate risk, etc.

In the past, GNMAs were mentioned by callers on many shows in a row. Is there a correlation between lowering his allocation to Ginnys and the lack of callers on the subject?

Anonymous said...

I heard Suze Orman and her partner have a new monthly newsletter and have been reporting erroneous numbers. Also they claim they are rated #1 by Hulbert but they are really #25.

Is that true?

Andoe

Honeybee said...

Jeff,

I'm not familiar with housing costs in Santa Barbara, so thanks for doing that research.

Perhaps Bob Brinker is also clueless about Santa Barbara. He seems to be a bit real estate-challenged. He paid a cool million for a CONDO in Lake Las Vegas which is now worth about $200K.

Honeybee said...

John,

I laughed out loud at that call -- and it actually got funnier the second time through when I was listening to the tape so I could transcribe it.

A friend and I made some not-very-kind speculations about Carol and Bob's relationship. LOL!

Honeybee said...

FrankJ,

Well as I pointed out in my summary, Bob Brinker is not being totally candid (honest?) about Ginnie Maes these days.

He has sold large chunks of his positions in the Vanguard Ginnie Mae Fund. Indeed, the balanced portfolio is down to only 15%.

So one has to conclude that he is not as bullish on the fund as he was before. But in spite of that change of views, he never gives his callers a hint of this.

Saying that he wouldn't go 100% into Ginnie Maes is the answer that a slick, shyster would give. One who didn't care if his callers gets hurt. After all, to Brinker, they are "freeloaders."

Honeybee said...

Andoe,

If you are going to make accusations against ANYONE, please post a link to back up what you say.

And if you don't even know if what you post is true, then why say it?

I sure don't know if it's true or not. This is the "Bob Brinker fan club" not the Suze Orman Fan Club. LOL!

Perhaps Kirk has one of those.

Anonymous said...

Suze Orman’s bad investment newsletter

Jason Zweig has managed to get one of the weirdest quotes ever from a would-be investment guru:

In a news release issued in March 2007, Mr. Grimaldi said one of his newsletters had “been ranked #1 by Hulbert Financial Digest” for the five years through 2006… Mr. Grimaldi’s other newsletters, although not the Money Navigator, have featured the claim “Ranked #1 & Recommended by Hulbert Financial Digest!”

Mark Hulbert, editor of the digest, says his publication “doesn’t make recommendations” and that “no matter how I slice and dice the data, I cannot support [Mr. Grimaldi's] claim of being No. 1 for that five-year period.” According to Mr. Hulbert, Mr. Grimaldi’s highest rank from the digest over that period was 25th out of 110.

Mr. Grimaldi says he ranked No. 1 over that period: “I’ll say that to my grave.”

Memo to Mark Grimaldi: whether or not you were ranked and/or recommended by Mark Hulbert is not a matter of belief, it’s a matter of fact. And Hulbert is on the record saying very clearly that he did neither. If you say that he ranked and/or recommended you, to your grave or in any other context, you are lying.

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/22/suze-ormans-bad-investment-newsletter/

Which brings me to Grimaldi’s strongest defender:

Ms. Orman declined to address specific questions about the newsletter or Mr. Grimaldi’s background. “Mark Grimaldi is my trusted partner in The Money Navigator,” she said in an emailed statement. “He is ethical, honest and achieves stellar results that consistently outperform the market. I’m proud to be able to provide our newsletter to people who are looking for solid financial advice.”

Honeybee said...

Here's the LINK to the Suze Orman article. It's very interesting.

Anonymous said...

I go back to 1997 with Bob Brinker.  I was bored and disgusted with FM radio so one Fall day I switched over to AM and while turning the dial I came across Moneytalk.  I remember the announcer discussing a "tenth anniversary" and "gift horse opportunities". I had no clue about the stock market and Bob Brinker’s broadcast became a huge learning experience. I tuned in every weekend and recorded the show when I needed to listen later.

Now looking back I have to say UTEK was horrible. QQQ was big mistake and Bob used to speak about AAPL if it was a toy not worthy to invest in.

All these examples were a huge let down a even larger financial mistakes. I started subscribing to the Marketimer news letter in 1997 but stopped after the biggest crash in the stock market since the big depression. I realized if Mr. Brinker missed that call her really was not a sock market timer.

All that said I will always be grateful for the basics of investing in the stock market that I learned throughout the years of listening to Moneytalk.

Richard in Santa Fe

Pig said...

I really like Bob and his timely advice.

I also liked having the mumps when I was a kid.

Some people think I'm still pretty sick.

Anonymous said...

Low rates into 2014

The Federal Reserve extends its pledge to keep rates low through late 2014. The Fed does see the U.S. economy "expanding moderately" and calls inflation "subdued."

Anonymous said...

1. The Fed talked about keeping rates low until 2015...Central banks from other countries are not happy about this at all since it will keep interest rates low for everyone.
2. The Fed actually made no commitment to keeping rates low until 2014. Federal Reserve said that their best estimate of appropriate monetary policy would involve keeping rates extraordinarily low until at least late 2014. Big difference. There was no unanimity on this. Individual members weren't even guessing what the committee would do, they were guessing what they individually expect to be appropriate.


Don't be surprised if the Fed raises interest rates before 2014. If the Fed had actually made a firm commitment, the market would have been up much higher today.

Honeybee said...

I appreciate the updates on the Fed's actions and planned actions, but please sign you posts so we know who is posting the good info. :)

Honeybee said...

Richard in Santa Fe,

I was blown away by your great comments.

I love when people share their history with Bob Brinker, Marketimer and Moneytalk. I think it would make an interesting book. Maybe I should create one. :)

I certainly agree that Bob does a good job on teaching the basics of investing. He was my teacher. But the most important thing he did for me was to teach me that one doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to learn how to safely manage one's own investments. That is when I started down the learning curve.

It took a lot of confidence to actually pull away from a brokerage shark and go out on my own. Especially when he didn't want to let me pull away and tried dirty tricks to prevent it.

One important lesson that he does not teach is that it's just not possible to consistently time the stock market.

Indeed, he sells that bit of snake oil and still makes $millions on people who still don't know he can't do it.

Honeybee said...

Mr Pig,

You tell me WHO thinks your sick. They will have to answer to me! :)