Sunday, August 5, 2018

August 5, 2018, Bob Brinker's Moneytalk: Summary of Stocks, Economy, Bond Advice

August 5, 2018...Bob Brinker was live on Moneytalk for the first two hours....(comments welcome) 

STOCK MARKET....Brinker made no comments about current stock market activity.

Honey's EC: As I have written before, Brinker is still looking for the market to retest the February lows based on the fact that this is an off-presidential election year. But if that doesn't happen, he is all set to look for "a market top" in 2019. The big clock on the wall aboard the Spaceship Moneytalk will certainly be right again some day. :)

VANGUARD PRIME MONEY MARKET FUND....Brinker told first caller, Mitchell, that he prefers Vanguard Prime because it pays a higher yield than Schwab Money Market Funds. 

INTEREST RATES....BB comments: The Federal Reserve will continue to increase rates and dumping Treasuries on the open market, via Quantitative Tightening (as opposed to Quantitative Easing). 

EMPLOYMENT AND UNEMPLOYMENT.....BB comments....Current unemployment rate is now 3.9%....Average hourly wages - year-over-year - have increased 2.9% (not adjusted for inflation)

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT....BB gives the year-over-year number as 2.8%. (BB did not mention that the GDP for Q2 came in at 4.1% and some say will be higher next quarter.)

==> dRahme's Audio Clip: employment and GDP reports; recommends Vanguard Prime Money Market Fund and why, to caller Mitchell in Naperville. 

JOB SKILLS ARE NEEDED....BB commented on "income inequality" and how no one ever points out that workers have the responsibility of getting the skills or education needed to do jobs and get higher wages. 
"STATE LEADING INDEX" REPORTS.....BB said that according to the State Leading Index Report, over the next six month, economic activity will increase in 46 out of 50 states.  ==> dRahme Audio Clip:  job skills needed....meaning of State Leading Index
APPLE STOCK
WHY APPLE MARKET CAP HIT $TRILLION.... BB said: "Think about the caller (Bernie from West Lake Village)  that we had last hour that made an attempt to link the fact that the company - Apple - now has a $trillion market cap.  Which simply means that the number of shares outstanding, plus the price of the stock equals a trillion dollars, plus. That's all it means. And that's entirely a function of the corporate profitability of that company and the job that Tim Cook has done running that company as the successor to Steve Jobs in the role of CEO...…"

WE ARE TETHERED TO IPHONES AND SMART PHONES....BB continued:  "It's about the fact that that company has created the iPhone that is literally tethered.....to millions and millions of people. I see a lot of younger people that are so tethered to their iPhone, they can't put it down. They won't put it down. One wonders what could have possibly happened in the last 38 seconds that would require another visit to the screen, but that's the way it is. It is what it is, and there is nothing anybody can do about it....." 

SO THIS IS HOW APPLE MADE THE $TRILLION..... BB continued:  "So if you create a product like that that literally takes over the life of a human being - millions of them. They are going to the APP Store and taking advantage of the services, maybe buying some of the other products the company produces. It's like magic, right? …..So in a situation like that, the company benefits. These are customers. They are paying money for the phones, services, for everything. This has accrued to the benefit of the company and shareholders. That's where they get the revenue and earnings, that's how they pay the dividends. And that's why the stock has done what it's done." 

MARKETS THIS WEEK (Honey's report): 
STOCKS FOR THE WEEK:  the DJIA ticked 0.1% higher (25,463); the S&P 500 Index gained 0.8% (2840); and the Nasdaq Composite 1.0% (7812).
OIL:  WTI crude oil dipped $0.47 to $68.49 per barrel.
GOLD:  Bloomberg gold spot price gained $5.90 to $1,213.73 per ounce, 
DOLLAR: Nearly unchanged at 95.17. 
10-YEAR TREASURIES: The yields on the 10-year note decreasing 3 bps to 2.95%. 
TRADE BALANCE... The deficit widened by a slightly smaller amount than expected to $46.3 billion in June, compared to forecasts of $46.5 billion. May's deficit was revised higher to $43.2 billion. Exports were down 0.7% m/m at $213.8 billion, while imports rose 0.6% to $260.1 billion.  
FOMC ANNOUNCEMENT: decided to maintain the target range for the federal funds rate at 1-3/4 to 2 percent. 

BRINKER BOOK CHALLENGE... Caller Roy from Corte Madera said: "What I encourage anyone who is doing investing to do is ask their broker - give them like 4 to 6 books from your book list like Bogle's Common Sense on Mutual Funds; Random Walk Down Wall Street; Against the Gods.  Then  ask the broker if those books will help with investing. If the broker says  'no, I'll take care of everything,' go find another investment advisor."    Brinker raved about the idea and several times during the show made reference to the call and the recommended books. 

(Honey sez:  FrankJ has done short reviews of the four books which were mentioned today,  and added some of his own recommendations.)   

FRANKJ'S BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMMENTARY:

Bob’s third hour guest this Sunday, August 05, 2018 was ………  oh, wait, there wasn’t a third hour guest.   This was strange because during the second hour he mentioned the third hour guest would be Elizabeth Rosenthal, author of the book “An American Sickness:  How Healthcare Became a Big Business and How You Can Take It Back.” 
What was odd was that Bob almost never reveals the name of the third hour guest beforehand.  And when I was looking at archived third hour summaries on my hard drive (the ones the Bulgarians had not hacked into) I noticed a summary of the very same author and the same book from August of 2017.  (Cue the Twilight Zone music.)     So how did that mention slip into the second hour?  Inquiring minds want to know. 
Early in the show Bob got a call from someone who said that people using financial advisors or contemplating using one should ask them their reaction to 4 books on Bob’s reading list (available on his website – and it is a long one.)   Not all of them have to do with investing, per se, some are topical and a great many are by third hour guests. 
So here are the four books the caller recommended:
1.      A Random Walk Down Wall Street by Burton Malkiel.   Malkiel is a finance prof (still, I think) and he’s a board member of Vanguard last time I checked.  That makes him an index fund guy.   I read this book a long time ago but it is now in its 12th edition. 
2.      Against the Gods, by Peter L. Bernstein.  Bernstein has been a guest on the show.  He wrote this book and others which show up on Bob’s reading list.   I read this book too, largely on Bob’s recommendation but I have to confess I don’t remember a whole lot about it other than it focused a lot on risk.   I bought this book but don’t have it anymore so I must have given it away. 
3.      Common Sense on Mutual Funds, by the venerable John C. Bogle, founder of Vanguard and the innovator of index fund investing (although I read somewhere recently that some other outfit brought out an index mutual fund way earlier, it just wasn’t that widely available.)   I read this one too, but no longer have it.  I gave my kids each a copy of another book by St. John,  The Little Book of Common Sense Investing.  This is a short book which is part of a series of “Little Books” covering various aspects of investing. 
4.      Winning the Loser’s Game, by Charles Ellis.  Mr. Ellis has been a guest on the program several times and he has more than one book on Bob’s reading list.  I read this one too, having heard about it on Bob’s show.   I liked this book, had it for a while, probably gave it away. 
Which of these four would I recommend to someone starting out if I could only choose one? 
That would be John Bogle’s book.   And I would advise them to read Ellis’ book because it explains how financial advisors can take a chunk out of your earnings in various ways. 
At one point the blog here included its own reading list of good books.  I don’t see it there now, but I am sure it is archived. 
Here are some other books I read and recommend:
A book I liked on bonds was Larry Swedroe’s (co-author)  The Only Guide to a Winning Bond Strategy You’ll Ever Need.   This also seems to be part of a series with “The Only Guide” as part of the title of other books.  Personally, I learned some stuff about bonds and it got me to take a more critical look at junk bond funds, and I ended up getting rid of the one I had. 
Then there is Lowell Miller’s book, The Single Best Investment, which I have read at least twice and is now heavily highlighted.   The “single best investment” being dividend growth investing.  He describes the advantages, how his investment firm screens stocks and how you can do this yourself.  He gives specifics on what he looks for in choosing individual stocks. 
Jeremy Siegel’s The Future for Investors, Why the Tried and True Triumph Over the Bold and New.   This is another book emphasizing dividend paying stocks over growth stocks.  Published in 2005 though, so I’m not sure if investors in the FAANG stocks would be much interested in the ideas here.
Howard Marks’ book, The Most Important Thing, Illuminated.  2013.  He was chairman and founder of Oaktree Capital Mgt, at time of publication.  Marks is firmly in the camp of active fund management.  The Oakmark fund has a pretty good record, long term.  What is the “most important thing?”  Actually there are 21 of them, each chapter describes a “most important” concept. 
There is a book I snagged for $1 on our local library’s surplus shelf:  Steven  B. Achelis’ Technical Analysis from A to Z.  I’m not a chart guy but I found this book interesting in that it described dozens of technical trading approaches all in one place. 
Here is a quick mention of  Bad Blood, by John Carreyou as long as we’re on the topic of books.   Remember him as a third hour guest a little while back?  I recently read this book and found it very good.  Entertaining to the extent that scams like the one Theranos was running could be.  Well written.  Moves right along.   Remember, Theranos was the company that was going to revolutionize blood testing using tiny pinpricks to obtain blood droplets that would then be used in their proprietary equipment to do rapid analysis for  an amazing number of blood tests.   Well, their equipment never worked properly and they skated around the needed regulatory approvals as he briefly described in the interview. 
The founder, Elizabeth Holmes was featured all over the financial media because of her young age and the fact that she was on her way to becoming Silicon Valley’s first female billionaire.  In her pitches to investors she’d make reference to a relative that died who, she implied, could have lived if her technology was available at the time.  So, her company was out to save lives – but the author makes clear that in fact, their technology was so bad that if it rolled out on a larger scale, it could have cost lives and gives examples.   Mr. Carreyou’s book documents the run up and then the unraveling of the whole thing.   
Honey here: Thank you, Frankj! I think if anyone really wants to learn to be their own financial advisor, all the top-notch help they need is provided in your book reviews and comments above. 

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89 comments:

bob said...

Great news! Can't wait to hear Bob's wisdom today.

Honeybee said...

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Well, Brinker got the show off to a rousing start by letting some poor caller hang in the wind for having the audacity to say: "Thank you for taking my call."

Brinker then let him embarrassingly stumble and stammer his question about Money Market Funds, without offering a word of help.


I felt very sorry for Mitchell in Naperville.

Anonymous said...

Then he failed to correct a caller who complimented him on the Fixed income advisor, allowing him to think it was his and not Bob Jr. He's done this many times before but the dishonesty never fails to amaze.

Dr. Bob

Bluce said...

Honey: Dang, I didn't get home in time from shopping and missed the first half hour. Hopefully dRahme taped the call you mentioned . . . ?

Honeybee said...

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Gee...I don't know what happened, but after just a few minutes at the open, Brinker has not be live (IMO).

He came back from the first break and immediately put on a recorded call - and has been playing pre-recorded calls ever since.

Anonymous said...

Ha-ha!! Fake news again.

Pavlov’s Cat

Honeybee said...

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Gee,

Yes, he did tease the third hour guest in the second hour. You are correct.

I remember thinking that he doesn't ever mention the name of the guest like he did today.

Very strange.


Anonymous said...

Being a doctor, I was particularly looking forward to his promised third hour guest dealing with the health care system. Particularly given the new CMS proposal for collapsing physician clinic payments to a single level, which will lead to Medicare patients losing access to more complex clinic evaluations since doctors whose specialties require such evaluations will retire or stop taking Medicare.

Looks like he failed to adequately review the dicing and splicing of the prerecorded calls. Maybe he had an early tee time.

Dr. Bob

Jay said...

I don’t know if Bob or Bobby Jr are licensed financial planners or some other professional licensing, but my guess would be yes. How can Bob simply carry on this hoax that the fixed income newsletter is his without correcting the caller? This isn’t just a one time slip up, he does it all the time when people call to thank him for his Market Timer and Fixed Income newsletter. You would think that just plain old morality and honesty would prevail, but apparently not. If he is licensed, wouldn’t that obligate him to set the record straight? All just my humble opinion of course.

Bluce said...

We know that Binky never had third-hour guests in the early days -- he used to take calls for all three hours. It's only been in the past 15(?) or so years that he ducked out of answering uncomfortable questions for all three hours, and put bootlicking guests on for the last hour instead. So: If you hear third hour callers, you know immediately that they are re-runs.

Regarding the old guy towards the end of the last hour, who had no clue what he had bought: I mostly don't feel sorry for him because he broke Bluce's #1 rule for investing: NEVER invest in anything that you don't understand.

From what we can gather, it was some sort of bond fund. Binky eventually explained to him that if he'd lost $10k in market value, but had gained around $10k in interest, then he wasn't in bad shape and should sell. But the old guy didn't even get that point.

$500k = 490k + 10k

"Here are my lifetime savings. Do something with it."

"There's a sucker born every minute."

Bob (not THAT Bob) said...

Honeybee,

I know you are busy, but if you get a chance later why not swing over to M* and check out yogobearbull's promotional announcement for BB.

LOL!

tfb said...

How can Bob simply carry on this hoax that the fixed income newsletter is his without correcting the caller?

It is very simple, Brinker is a very dishonest person, he has zero personal integrity.

His entire shtick is built on deception, chicanery, guile, and people's laziness and/or ignorance.

As you said morality and honesty, those are not attributes of Da Brink.

tfb

Honeybee said...

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Bob not THAT Bob....

I took a peek into the Brinker bot den. Yogi seems to think he now has to report when Brinker's live. It looks like we got through a few thick skulls. LOL!

As for the other IGNORAMUS who keeps threatening me, he might want to educate himself on a subject he missed when he graduated sixth grade: FAIR USE!

While he is doing that, he might want to look up harassment and slander - both are crimes!

Bluce said...


Where is Stinky when MStar needs him?










tfb said...

As for the other IGNORAMUS who keeps threatening me, he might want to educate himself on a subject he missed when he graduated sixth grade: FAIR USE!

While he is doing that, he might want to look up harassment and slander - both are crimes!


Sounds like a transgender type to me. Just sayin'.

And to your point, I do not think an educated person could support Brinker. I order to do so, you would have to disregard the entire body of academic research, which concretely indicates that market timing does not work.

Anonymous said...

I spoke with Bob Jr. the 3rd hour guest didn’t show up so they went with s prerecorded segment.
Jeff Warner

Unknown said...

I heard that and it was so strange. Why would Bob do that?

Anonymous said...

Thx, Honeybee, for all you do. I used to listen to BB, then realized its not real hard to just consistently invest in index funds. For the last few years I’ve been reading your blog, along with the wealth of investing info available online. I appreciate the weekly recaps, though. And it’s way past time for Bob to hang it up. I’ve already entered the land of critical mass. I listened to him 30 years ago, isn’t he there yet?
Signed, long time lurker, first time poster
Mike.

Honeybee said...

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So Jeff Warner....The next time you talk to Bob Jr. please ask him for me why his dad is not candid or even honest with the audience.

He announced the name of the guest in the second hour. His listeners took him at his word, but we understand that "things" happen, so why didn't Brinker just say that the guest was a no-show?

OR, are you saying the WHOLE THIRD HOUR was "prerecorded?"

Honeybee said...

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Hi Mike...Thanks for your nice comments.

Brinker loves to talk about people who have Critical Mass - and more - who work because they enjoy their work.

I am sure that he is trying to convince people that is why he hasn't retired at the age of 76 (in October), but I don't buy it.

I think he is working so that he can continue to keep the family name out there selling newsletters the easy way - especially the one that Bob Jr. created when he didn't make his $millions in the IT/computer field.

Last I heard, Brinker's net worth is over $26 million.

slider said...

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT....BB gives the year-over-year number as 2.8%. (BB did not mention that the GDP for Q2 came in at 4.1% and some say will be higher next quarter.)

It is the same output number used to calculate both numbers for the 2nd qtr. The yoy# 2.8% is the actual growth rate, the qoq# 4.1% is not a real # because of how it is calculated.

You probably will not post this because you percieve it to be a negative. It is not, as an investor it is important to look at the real growth rate @ 2.8% because the Fed is looking at this same number which shows the economy not over heating thus Powell is not forced to push up rates as you saw Wednesday with no change by the Fed on interest rates.

tfb said...

Last I heard, Brinker's net worth is over $26 million.

Wow, makes me feel like a slacker by comparison. Even after adjusting for age he still kicks my ass rather handily - sigh. Reality is a cruel mistress. Well at least I came by what I have honestly. Still and all the 26 million is impressive.

Honeybee said...

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Slider...I do not appreciate you coming here and insulting me.

If I have not published any of your comments, it has nothing to do with being negative. It has to do with rudeness and disrespect for others.

If you don't like my decisions, you know where the door is....


Honeybee said...

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Slider...Bob Brinker did exactly the same thing you did and spun the second quarter GDP by yammering about inflation and all that stuff.

The fact is that second quarter GDP came in at 4.1% and is expected to go higher. Brinker said it couldn't be done.




Gawd said...

From Honeybee's show summary:

"STOCK MARKET....Brinker made no comments about current stock market activity.

Honey's EC: As I have written before, Brinker is still looking for the market to retest the February lows based on the fact that this is an off-presidential election year. But if that doesn't happen, he is all set to look for "a market top" in 2019. The big clock on the wall aboard the Spaceship Moneytalk will certainly be right again some day. :)"

Yes, I read that about a possible "market top in 2019" in this month's Marketimer. Did he mention it on his radio show too? Unless I have missed them, this kind of prognostication is something rare. Of course, he has correctly identified <20% corrections many times over the past couple of decades and only missed once. But even that one did not fall notably greater than the -20% threshold for a correction for almost a year until an event unrelated to knowable due diligence data unexpectedly occurred in late September, 2008, triggering a huge panic sell-off that went as deep as -58% below the previous market high.

However, in my recollection, the last time he prognosticated a possible "market top" coming within the next several months was back in early 2000, when he talked about being cautious with the market at it's then level and under the circumstances that existed at the time. That was when he did call for raising cash, shifting equity money into safe haven money market funds, keeping our "powder dry" on the prospect of The Mother of All Buying Opportunities and all that. And he was remarkably right in the timing of both the sell and the buy signal on that one.

So, if he is now suggesting he might see a "market top in 2019", that isn't about a correction. That means he will have knowable data, due diligence reasons to recommend raising cash again, moving equity money into safe havens for a subsequent buying opportunity and so on, something that would not really make much sense when all he sees happening is a <20% correction, no?

Jerrod Clarkson said...


Blogger Gawd said...
So, if he is now suggesting he might see a "market top in 2019", that isn't about a correction. That means he will have knowable data, due diligence reasons to recommend raising cash again, moving equity money into safe havens for a subsequent buying opportunity and so on, something that would not really make much sense when all he sees happening is a <20% correction, no?

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No! What it means is that Bob misplaced or lost his quarter. So, Bob is now flipping a brand spanking new quarter to update his market and econometric models.

Heads or tails?

JC

Jim said...

When Brinker says something like a possible market top in 2019 it's hard to know how serious he is. On one hand he may think the yield curve will invert, inflation will pick up, and the Fed will continue to tighten which are all bad signs. If all that happens though it means Treasury yields will never reach the levels Brinker predicted they would when the Fed began tightening. I think it's safe to say a recession would cause bond yields to come down and bond prices to rise. On the other hand this "market top" talk could all be just a "tease" in order to get subscribers to renew their subscriptions to Marketimer for another year. I might be wrong but I thought someone asked Brinker once what he predicts a year out and he said his model doesn't look that far ahead.

Honeybee said...

Right on JC!

gabe said...

I have had good fortune owning three(3) of the stocks called by the acronym FAANG. If you have some bucks ready to invest (dry powder), you might want to look at all 5, if possible.

Gabe

Bluce said...

Jim wrote: On the other hand this "market top" talk could all be just a "tease" in order to get subscribers to renew their subscriptions to Marketimer for another year.

I think it's as simple as that. There are zillions of otherwise intelligent people out there who think market timing "works," and many of them live and breath on what Guru Binky says.

When they tune in on Sundays they have one finger poised above the "Buy" or "Sell" button on their portfolios, depending on what Guru Binky says.

slider said...

Brinker said the annual number was unlikely to break out of the 2s trend and he is correct.

1qtr does not make an annual number.

Deficit going up 790B+ proves growth not at 4.1%.

All gdp numbers are inflation adjusted and not sure what "stuff" is.

Post this and prior if anyone finds rudeness or disrespect for others and can articulate same, dinner and drinks are on me.

Gawd said...

Anonymous Jerrod Clarkson said...
-snip-
"No! What it means is that Bob misplaced or lost his quarter. So, Bob is now flipping a brand spanking new quarter to update his market and econometric models.

Heads or tails?

JC"

Jim said...
"When Brinker says something like a possible market top in 2019 it's hard to know how serious he is."

These replies suggest Bob Brinker has been "flipping a coin" and "says something like" a possible market top being on the somewhat near horizon quite often, which would naturally mean he has been wrong about it quite often because we have only had three "market tops" prior to a >20% correction since he has had a radio show. I realize he did not call the one that lasted essentially a single day on October 19, 1987. Not that many people would have had time to act on it anyway. And, of course, he didn't call the panic sell-off that started on September 29, 2008.

I only remember him suggesting a possible "market top" on the somewhat near horizon once since I started listening to his show in the early 1990s, the one that indeed began to occur in year 2000. IMO, that was the only one of the three mentioned above that, right or wrong, could have been intelligently prognosticated based on due diligence re knowable data. Maybe it will turn out that further data suggesting a near horizon "market top" will not materialize for him this time around and he won't mention it again any time soon.

But does anyone recall any other times he suggested a possible "market top" on the near horizon that never materialized?

Jim said...

Gawd,
While I'm not sure how many times Brinker may have used the actual words "market top" I do remember him on many occasions saying something like " We're watching our indicators very closely right now because there could be a change", or he said "We need to be very vigilant right now regarding the market" hinting that the market could be nearing a short term top. He usually said those things after the market had a big run up without a correction.

As far as the market crash of 1987 goes let us not forget that on Oct.12 1987, just 7 days before that crash Elaine Garzarelli went on CNN's "Money Line" and said she sees an imminent collapse of the stock market. Anyone following her at that time had a week to sell, so there was time for someone to act if they were following the right guru. Brinker missed that call and if I remember correctly seemed very jealous of Elaine after that, saying some unkind things about her on Moneytalk.

Jack said...

I received a postcard from Vanguard today wanting to me chek out out their Personal Advisor Service. I already have an advisor through Vanguard but this apparently goes one step farther by turning the portfolio over to them and paying Vanguard 0.30% under management. My question is this. Does anyone here use this service? If so, what do you think about it? Did it really increase the value of your portfolio versus just holding the S&P and the Total Stock Market? You can see this service at www.vanguard.com/roadmap

Thank you,

Jack

gabe said...

AMZN ended the day higher by 1.34%. What a stock!

Gabe

tfb said...

I realize he did not call the one that lasted essentially a single day on October 19, 1987.

Actually it was much, much worse than that. Da Brink was actually on KGO urging people not to sell as the market crashed and of course it just kept going lower.

And it only got worse for Da Brink and market timing after that. Here is the reality the Dow was at 2710 in August of 87, Da Brink held through the flash crash in October and then totally bailed out of the market in January of 1988 at Dow 2015. It took him three years to get back to fully invested and each buy was at an elevated price over his sale price. It is even worse because he actually reduced his holdings at one point after he increased it.

So it was case of selling only after the market took a substantial hit and buying back in time and again at ever higher market valuations...Such is market timing.

The ever sultry Hottiebee has it all documented somewhere o this site. She is as diligent as she is lovely.

tfb said...

Jack,

Vanguard's PAS service is an unwavering boilerplate with no actual customization allowed. In other words you cannot hold assets with them that does not fit their template. It is customized in the sense they pigeonhole you into one of their templates based on your situation. but you cannot deviate from the contents of the template they decide fits you. In true Vanguard arrogant fashion the customer must bend their knee to Vanguard.

It is suitable for someone who is not interested in or capable of creating a simple 2 or 3 fund portfolio.

tfb said...

Also, Vanguard's PAS does not offer tax loss harvesting a huge detriment. Last time I looked both Wealthfront and Betterment were superior robo advisers when compared to Vanguard PAS.

tfb said...

And one more thing on robo advisors. Schwab offers an excellent free robo advisor called Schwab Intelligent Portfolios. You really need to look it up as it is a robo advisor that clearly walks to the beat of a different drummer. It is amazing in what it actual offers. The minimum to ge tin is only 5K. And in my opinion Schwab has the best customer service in the business, beating out even Fidelity. I find Vanguard to be a couple of tiers below Schwab and Fidelity in terns of customer service.

Bluce said...

Jim wrote: As far as the market crash of 1987 goes let us not forget that on Oct.12 1987, just 7 days before that crash Elaine Garzarelli went on CNN's "Money Line" and said she sees an imminent collapse of the stock market. Anyone following her at that time had a week to sell, so there was time for someone to act if they were following the right guru. Brinker missed that call and if I remember correctly seemed very jealous of Elaine after that, saying some unkind things about her on Moneytalk.

And wasn't that her only "day in the sun," because afterwards she totally tanked every market call and ended up becoming irrelevant?

Something like that, too lazy to Google.

Honeybee said...
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J Wales said...

I have been having an unpleasant customer service experience with Vanguard as of late. Their culture has taken a turn for the worse in the past 10 years. Bogles comment on Vanguard saying there were troubling signs has come to fruition. May move to Schwab.

Bluce said...

Per TFB's comments on brokers: I've only had experience with Schwabbie and VG, and Chuck, "who is a friend of mine," stands head and shoulders above VG.

I've been with Chuck since 1997 and cannot find one thing to complain about. The people one talks to on the phone are the most polite group of people you will find anywhere. They are always helpful and if they can't answer your questions they will hook you up with someone who can.

And there are NEVER long phone holds.

Chuck's doing it right. Not to mention dirt cheap Schwab index/ETFs; most are below .06%, some are at .02-.03, if memory serves.

Jim said...

Bluce wrote:
"And wasn't that her only "day in the sun," because afterwards she totally tanked every market call and ended up becoming irrelevant?

You're right. I think that may have been the only significant call she got right. That raises the question of whether correctly calling a downturn is skill or luck. I tend to think that simply calling one market downturn is luck and that multiple market downturns have to be successfully called before skill can be considered. Elaine called the crash and Brinker's only example of calling a market downturn was 2000 so I need more proof before I believe.

Anonymous said...

Warren Buffett has been dollar cost averaging out of the market since the current bull market began.
Shouldn’t you be doing the same?
https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/8F552FA2-997A-11E8-B472-99AD40FD5CD1

Vince Michaels

KC said...

I took note of BB mentioning Obama's name twice during the show this past Sunday while talking about the last administration's natural gas vehicle initiatives. But his liberal "pants on fire" bias just won't let him mention the current President's name. Hey Bob, it's DONALD TRUMP!!!

I feel better now, thanks Honey.

KC

tfb said...

I tend to think that simply calling one market downturn is luck and that multiple market downturns have to be successfully called before skill can be considered.

I get while you would think that, but...The but is, it is like flipping a coin, you can get a random series that seems to form a pattern. One of the things that has puzzled academics about market timers and stock pickers is, given the size of the pool, they actually expected, on a statistical basis, to see more seeming examples, that on the surface look like a success. Academics thought they would have to explain that statistically you would expect a certain percentage of success simply due to random chance, what has baffled them is even the statistically expected successes never materialized. In other words stock pickers and market timers have not even hit the statistical ransom success rate which is as damning as all heck. I recall more than one paper was written to explain why they could not even hit the statistical threshold.

Stinky said...

Bluce, thanks for giving me a heads-up that folks on M* were making noise again. I've been busy this week and couldn't keep up with the newsfeed, so I missed it until just now.

I've just posted on the Brinker thread on M*.

I feel like I'm taking on a new part-time job - defending Honeybee's honor on M*.

Maybe my M* post will cause a few more folks to check out this blog, which is where the truth is told. Hope springs eternal.....

Honeybee said...

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Attn: Stinky....Your rebuttal to the person who posted on Morningstar who obviously has a real hate on for me, is amazing. Many thanks!

I owe you a lunch on the Santa Cruz Wharf if you are even in the Santa Cruz area. :)

Here is a copy of your post so that all can read it:



" Gary1952: I will compare honeybee to the never Trumpers that have TDS. She (or he) has BDS and wil never over look anything to see the positive he does.


Gary1952, I guess you haven't looked at Honeybee's blog. If you look at it, you'll see an excellent summary of points made during the monologues, and some quotes and discussion of the more interesting callers during the show. You'll see a full summary of the third-hour guest (at least, for days when Brinker is live). You'll see truth-telling, not "Brinker Derangement Syndrome"."

In the blog, you'll also be able to gain wisdom and insight from someone who has followed Brinker's program over the years, and who isn't solely reacting to the most current news or programs. You'll see truth-telling, such as the fact that a newsletter that calls itself "MarketTimer" hasn't raised cash in almost two decades. You'll learn about the disastrous QQQ trade, and how it's been covered up. It's all there, and it's all the truth.

You'll be able to read the posts of many people with diverse opinions, in an open dialogue. Some have issues with Brinker; some do not; all are welcome.

One topic of recent discussion on the blog is that Brinker will take credit for something that is not his work. When a caller to the radio show thanks Brinker for his authorship of "MarketTimer and the Brinker Fixed Income Advisor", he accepts credit without comment. However, I believe that Brinker's son, Bob Jr., is really responsible for the Advisor - and if that's true, Brinker should give the credit to his son, rather than accept it himself. Seems deceptive to me.

Instead of throwing rocks at Honeybee, I suggest that you read her blog. And maybe submit a comment or two to the blog.

Honeybee said...

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gawd…. Please read Jim's and TFB's comments to you. They are both very accurate.

As for Brinker now using the words "market top" in Marketimer, that is new jargon that began in the July Marketimer and in both the July and August issues, he uses it in reference to looking for one in 2019.

In the past, he has always looked for "buying opportunities." (After much shaming, he finally started adding "for new money," because he looked so silly being a perma-bull - fully invested.)

As for calling "market tops" = SELL SIGNAL (raising cash), he has only done that twice. Once the time that TFB wrote about. That was the ONLY time Brinker ever went to 100% cash, and it cost his followers a bundle!

The other time, was in year-2000. He only raised 65% cash that time, but had followers put about half of that cash into QQQ before it crashed about 75%.

One other thing: This date you repeat of September 2008 means nothing. The 57% megabear began in the fall of 2007.

Now, we have been over all of this with you before, so please save and file these answers.

Gawd said...

Honeybee, I agree and have never disputed that the market topped out in October 2007 and what followed eventually developed into a megabear. When I mention September 29, 2008, I am only referring to the panic market sell-off to a demonstrably greater decline than -20% from that market top, which occurred on that date almost a year later.

Bluce said...

Yay Stinky!

"Pushing back the frontiers of ignorance." Tough job.

burt said...

The fellow with the $500,000 "bond" investment will not be made whole unless he gets back $505,000 as he could have made a minimum of 1% putting in a bank. So he needs the 489K he thinks he has plus the five payments of $1900 he got and $5000 more for missed interest.

As far as Bob being difficult with the guy who said, "Thank you for taking my call", that phrase is an absolute waste of time, the person who says it is all about, "look at me I got through", hosts take calls to benefit them not the caller. I don't thank Ameritrade for taking my business.

frankj said...

Go Stinky! Great post over there on Morningstar's Brinker-fest.

And Burt, yeah, "thank you for taking my call," is like fingernails scratching on a blackboard to me.

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Bottom Line:

GOOD
New, GREAT POST (as always) from Stinky at M*.

A 3-FER: BAD, VERY BAD and QUITE UGLY
Whiny, hateful, lying post from Gary1952 at M*. That dude has "issues" - Very Serious issues and many of them! I suspect that he is "very familiar" with Duh Brink cabal.

JC

Honeybee said...

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Stinky and all....Gary1952 is one slick dude. His Brinker double-talk is almost astonishing.

I'll boil it down a bit to get a LITTLE closer to the truth he is trying so hard to hide without writing "War and Peace."

Brinker has none of his stock allocations in his model portfolios in cash - period.

The Fixed Income portfolio that Gary referred to is:

1: Off the books - never affects his performance record (used by Hulbert).

2: ALL fixed income (duh! Gary).

3: Has a sizeable amount in cash only if you consider 1/3 in the Vanguard Prime Money Market sizeable (It contains two bond funds also - 1/3 each in DLSNX and OSTIX.

4. See number one again.

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Additional info on the new (September, 2018) Communications sector:

A Quick Look at the new Communication Sector and expected SP 500 2019 Growth Rates

http://fundamentalis.com/?p=7988

JC

gabe said...

Well...equities did fairly well and bonds..no so well.

Gabe

tfb said...

I have waned on this forum in the past with little constructive commentary, so I’ll attempt to keep this brief. In reading the posts it occurs to me the best advice I can give to people is to view their portfolio in terms of the Serenity Prayer, circa 1934:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.


If you reflect on the innate message of that prayer and your personal portfolio you should manage to successfully navigate most of the pitfalls that prove injurious to most investors. But as I said, you really need to reflect on it.

gabe said...

AMZN continues to amaze!

Gabe

Howie, Fontana said...

Hey, where's my re-test?

Mr. Finker quoted a sure thing, a re-test of the February lows as exhibited by the S&P 500, based upon "historical data" and "my rot-gut feelings" about the market during an "off-presidential-election" year. Whew, that term wears me out.

As he said, it almost never happens before June. So to fulfill his Weegie Board prediction (Ouija for those anal spell-checkers), there's gonna be "blood on the street" in Rock-tober.

So, hell, let's just party now and reserve all our "new money" for the "re-test weakness" when the autumn leaves are incredibly awesome in New England and they serve hot cider at the roadside farm stands, and if you mention "Earl" you'll get a guided tour of where they serve the "real" drinks.

Honeybee said...

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Welcome Howie..... ROFLOL!!!!!

What more can I say. :)

J Wales said...

From what I can tell Amazon has no competition. Walmart is a zombie. Dead company walking. The Waltons ate billionaires & have left the building long ago. I like Costco but they don't have the shopping addicts like big A.

Stinky said...

Thanks for all of the supportive comments about what going on over at M*.

I've just answered Gary1952's most recent misleading post. Wonder what fantasy he'll dream up for his next response.

Bluce said...

LOL, Pitbull Stinky is "pushing back the frontiers of ignorance" again!

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Stinky,

Your latest "explainer" post at M* is fantastic!

Rather than ridiculing honeybee and you, the bots over there should be thanking both of you for unveiling the chicanery of the creep behind the curtain.

JD

Jerrod Clarkson said...

gabe said...

AMZN and AAPL continue to march on. Nicely up in this uncommitted Market!

Gabe

tfb said...

After much reflection I have come to the conclusion the only people who feel the need to consider market timing are:

- Those who enjoy the game and play it similar to Vegas for entertainment
- Those who have an imbalance between their lifestyle and their assets
- Those who are ignorant or stupid
- Those who are greedy
- The gullible

In order to put your faith in market timing you need to ignore a very wide body of academic research that is essentially universal in its conclusion that market timing is a strategy of failure.

And in particular, in regard to placing any faith in Bob Brinker, you have to ignore his actual market timing record, which is abysmal, and you also need to ignore his character, one that can best be described as one of a charlatan.

My summary, on this, the 18th day August in two thousand and eighteenth year of our Lord.

TFB

Bluce said...

The Binky Boys are at it again! ATTN: Stinky

Bluce said...

Bill Gross, The Bond King, (not to mention Binky, the great stock and interest-rate timer) have both been wrong for years.

Stinky said...

Reply to the Bots posted on M*.

The new line - "Just tellin' the truth....."

Honeybee said...

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Stinky....I just read the latest. It looks like at least two of the Brinker's (bots) are becoming more and more desperate for my attention.

What are they going to do next? They've already committed the crimes of libel, character assassination, personal threats and harassment - AGAINST A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

Definition of libel

a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Honeybee,

Did you happen to find a blog from me pokin' around in your files? It was from yesterday.

If not, no problem. It probably wasn't eligible for a Pulitzer.

Thanks

JC

Honeybee said...

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JC.....I just published the only one from you that I did not publish yesterday because I doubted it was really from you.....Please look back at it to be sure it is from you.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Gary1952 drives a Corvette? I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin.

Pavlov’s Cat

tfb said...

I tried to find the Bob Brinker thread at Morningstar. I searched on charlatan, fraud, shyster, con-man, con-criminal, con-artist....I am now convinced no one is actually discussing Bob Brinker over there. LOL.

tfb

Honeybee said...

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Dear TFB...You were looking in all the right places, but since some actual truth has been told there - like a few roses amidst the thorns - it's likely that "someone" has made sure it won't show up on any search engines.

Here is the link!

I'm not sure what page it will take you in on - it's now up to six pages.

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Honeybee,

Sorry for all the hassle, we're almost there - but it seems to be missing something ???


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Anonymous Jerrod Clarkson said...

August 8, 2018 at 3:19 PM
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Before this is over with I think one of us needs to dye their hair blond.

Since I have a "buzz-cut", I shall defer to you! ;-)

JC

Bluce said...

Pavie: Who cares if he drives a Corvette?

Jerrod Clarkson said...
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gabe said...

The Market is in the dumpster...Turkey is the culprit.

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Honeybee,

1. This is not mine. Please delete:
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Anonymous Jerrod Clarkson said...
Honeybee,
Thanks for your support!
JC
August 9, 2018 at 8:55 PM
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2. I have submitted all of the requisite material on this serial impostor to Federal, State and Local Law Enforcement. The rest is up to them. I advised them that I will gladly cooperate with them in any way that will assist in their criminal investigations.

3. After my attorneys completed asset searches, I decided to forgo any/all civil litigation against the impostor. No reason I should spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to (possibly) be awarded enough money to buy a Big Mac or two.

4. I realize that this has been a major imposition, headache and hassle for you. Please accept my deepest apologies for that. At the same time, I wish to thank you for your patience in dealing with the impostor's impositions.

5. The REAL Jerrod Clarkson is officially retiring from posting on your blog. So, if you receive any future "JC" and/or "Jerrod Clarkson" submissions, please flush them accordingly.

6. I have thoroughly enjoyed your blog, and will continue to visit, albeit in "Read Mode Only".

Best wishes to you and all!

JC

Honeybee said...

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Jerrod....I never asked you, or even hinted, that you should stop posting.

I never let the bastards get me down - or even slow me down.

Surely you don't think you this is the only issue the haters send my way.

gabe said...

I do understand the anger and frustration that Jerrod is probably experiencing. I. too, was very upset as well when some one was impersonating me on the site. Hopefully, he'll return at a later date.

Gabe

Trees said...

I would suspect those that are "upset" from imposter. Really? Your moniker is so valued that we need safeguards. We just comment. Comments are a dime a dozen. If someone posts trash, stupid, or ignorant, most will ignore or call the person out if their is some intelligence behind the comment. Maybe I'm just callus from the junk comments posted on most blogs? Everyone will and does read the value comments and certainly the review.

My suspicion, we have Brinker sycophants that attempt to play the board. Create acrimony and emotional hype. The types that think they are superior. Interesting they feel the need to hide? Are they so spineless or clueless from their position. Their foundation. Appears so.

PhilR said...

JWales
What were the comments Bogle had on Vanguard? I have a small rollover under Vanguards management and comments here are right regarding then being totally unwilling to stray from the cookie cutter. However I look at it as another bit of diversification among my investments.

Lankford said...

Hey wait a minute, Mr. "Slob Drinker".

We thought you said on a radio show that "interest rates" would be shooting through the roof like our uncle's Roman Candle mishap a few years ago when he lit one in the living room. The house took a beating and Grandma gave him one as well, within an inch of his life. As you might guess, he's been shunned since then.

But the point is, with the flood of cheap meat into the market, like during those great disco days in the late '70's at every club on either coast (Texas didn't participate), the Treasuries flooding into the market now from the Fed's QT (aka "quick tan" in Cancun, only here for 3 nights) program should be skewing the rates higher, as Mr. Slob noted.

But, what the hell, the "rates" are actually modulating downward, all the way down to nearly 2.86% for the 10-year, a true blasphemy here at Drinker Central.

So therefore, whenever the radio guy offers a pontification about "rates", we feel compelled to take another drink because, well, anything could happen.

We know, nobody will read this on a Saturday night. So call it a public service.

Trees said...

I read of the benefits of pivoting from growth stocks when they are high priced to value and dividend paying stocks. This is the category wherein Wellington lies.

Also, we read that bonds may have a weaker future given the expected interest rate increase over long term future. It may be better to be 70% stocks with bonds reserved for safe money.

We know how hard the bond market or income producing investments are, given Bob's costly investment advice to stay ultra short duration for some years now. From my personal research, my faith in knowledge of the income investment market is weak, but my faith in the Wellington's expertise is high. An active managed fund has better return in this category. May be do to the knowledge of real risk vs return and not just some radio host's easy talking point.

Also, these balanced funds have return opportunity to increase the bond or stock percentage within appropriate time periods. The one referred to does typically have low a percentage of foreign stock for same purpose to increase yield and lower volatility. Rebalancing the funds investment occurs not upon some random year anniversary, but upon intelligent time frame. For example, best to let winning bets run. Yet, it is wise to pull money from winners to invest in value such as our lower priced bonds at some point that I'm clueless to know.

I've moved some investments and have 50% of portfolio in cash. There isn't much cost to be in cash, now, since markets are going sideways. Better for the short term to be in the low interest trading account. Not for the long term, but for some buying opportunity if such appears. I think a boatload of investors are doing likewise and as a result no opportunity will appear unless? No one knows. My retirement plan was to spend down taxable IRAs before Social Security and that is a 5 year span. Most will advise to stay in safe investments for this short time period.

I'm thinking that the economy could do extremely well during the Trump reign and if so could be another 8 yrs after that. So, many good things that know one could have thought were possible. This Energizer bunny is pushing hard to MAGA. Those aren't empty words, apparently. We'll see in the long term if he can be successful. IMHO, everything is spot on. Early in the political campaign I liked the guy after hearing his management philosophy. Get the best you can get to do a good job and empower them to do so. This is good management to delegate and hold these people accountable, Trump knows how to market and manage the Left and their press. Politicians in general can't delegate as they have crafted their popularity and career gains by grabbing all the credit.