Sunday, May 7, 2017

May 7, 2017, Bob Brinker's Moneytalk: Stocks, Bonds, Economy and Commentary

May 7, 2017....Bob Brinker hosted Moneytalk live today....(comments welcome)

STOCK MARKET....Brinker still recommends fully invested positions and dollar-cost averaging new money into the stock market. Today he talked about "The Bogle Rule" for deciding what your stock allocation should be. Here it is: Take the number the 120 and subtract your age. In other words, if you are 55, like caller David from Albuquerque, your stock allocation would be 65% of your investment portfolio in stocks and 55% in fixed income. That would be your "balance."

BOND MARKET TWO RISKS....There are two risks in bond funds: credit risk and interest-rate risk. Right now Brinker is concerned about interest rate risk and NOT concerned about credit risk.  Brinker told caller Bob in Florida that when he recommends "fixed income" investments, he means low duration bond funds like the ones in Marketimer. Marketimer balanced portfolio III has three bond funds:
DoubleLine Low Duration Bond
MetroWest Unconstrained Bond
Osterweiss Strategic Income Fund
BIPS....Brinker gave the definition of BIPS after caller John from Columbus used it in a sentence: Basis point. In the bond market, the smallest measure used for quoting yields is a basis point.100=1%=100 BIPS.

ROTH IRA QUESTIONS....There was a question about taking money out of a Roth Ira before reaching age 55. Brinker basically recommended he see a CPA.  BRT (Blog Research Team) member, Jerrod Clarkson sent this Schwab link that explains Roth IRA Withdrawal Rules.

JOBS MARKET....Good jobs report - 211,000 new jobs in April. Brinker had some negative points he tried to make about the "quality" of the new jobs. Don't expect unemployment to drop any more because 4.4% is considered full employment.  He also gave the racial and educational demographic breakdowns. As we all know, there is much less unemployment among the more highly educated - Bachelor's Degree, 2.4%.

Thanks to dRahme, here is a short clip of Brinker's jobs market comments.

TAX REFORM: Brinker expects the debate on tax reform to continue into the second half of 2017.  He talked about how they are going to need to get rid of a lot of deductions. He also talked about how they are getting rid of the "onerous"  tax on high-earners that is part of Obamacare. Thanks to dRahme for this short clip of Brinker's comments about possible deduction rule changes. 

MALLS....Brinker made the comment that he thinks traditional "big store" malls are on their way out. He thinks new ones may different perhaps "open air and family oriented."  Honey Sez: Of course they are. I used to shop in them every week, but never go in them anymore - unless I absolutely have to....

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ARREN BUFFET POLITICS = FOURTH RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD.... Brinker seems to put a lot of store  in the "Sage of Omaha's" political opinions. Thank to dRahme, we have a clip of Buffett leftist politically punditry.

Honey EC: My opinion is that Brinker's politics are right in line with Buffett's but he will never say so and risk losing subscribers. So in lieu of that, he presents Buffett's opinions as though they carry more weight because of his vast wealth. I think you might know my opinion of that. :)


FRANKJ'S MONEYTALK GUEST-AUTHOR SUMMARY

Tyler Cowen was Bob Brinker’s guest during the third hour of the May 7, 2017 edition of MoneyTalk. The guest is a professor of economics at George Mason University located in the Washington D.C. area. Dr. Cowen’s latest book is “The Complacent Class, the Self-defeating Quest for the American Dream. A previous book by him is “The Great Stagnation.”

Editorial comment: In listening to Bob’s interviews and summarizing them for a while now, I cannot remember a guest who was more direct and succinct in his answers. Bob asked more questions than I can ever remember him asking. I formed a mental image of an older pitcher tasked with pitching batting practice to a hot hitter. The guest dealt with Bob’s “pitches” quite easily and toward the end of the interview I got the impression that Bob was breathing heavily and running out of stuff to “pitch.” 

We move less, we are starting fewer businesses, we medicate more, we are paranoid about child raising, we seek safer portfolios …. These are the things the guest says characterizes society today, leading us to complacency or perhaps as a result of it.

The rate at which people relocate has dropped by 50% since the post-WW2 years. The guest implied people are more accepting of poor employment opportunities or even unemployment. When people do move sometimes they have influences that limit opportunities for others. He cited the city of San Francisco where people moved in and pushed for rules to limit development. (The old “pull up the drawbridge” scenario.)

A new segregation has arrived on the scene: economic segregation. The rich associate with the rich and the poor associated with one another. The guest said mixed neighborhoods were better for mobility. I don’t think he’s onto anything new here. There has been economic segregation concerning where people lived since this nation was founded. 

One example of the guest’s directness came when Bob tried to draw him out on technical innovation as a source of economic growth. Dr. Cowen said media streaming services like Netflix as an example, simply made it easier for people to sit home and be more complacent. Another of Bob’s themes, driverless cars was brushed aside as “several decades away.”

The guest agreed with Bob that government can be an instigator of innovation. He believed it should spend more and pointed out the research and development in the corporate world is flat or declining. “We can do better.”

Another theme of Bob’s is the repatriation of corporate money that is currently held overseas. Bob laid out several results which the guest mostly ignored: more buybacks, better dividends, more mergers and acquisitions…. The guest merely said that an electronic shuffling of the capital on a bank’s computer won’t affect economic growth.

Bob made another try, citing the notion that new factories will spring up if only the overseas money is repatriated. He (rightly) has said there has to be demand for what the factory will produce. The guest more or less agreed and said there is demand for new iPhones and new restaurants. Huh?

As the interview wrapped up Bob and Tyler discussed what rate of economic growth might be possible. Tyler said slashing the corporate tax rate might a modest improvement but not a game changer. Bob tried to pin him down on what rate of wage growth might be acceptable without leading to too much inflation. Bob finally got him to say that 2% inflation might co-exist with 2-3% real annual growth in wages.

China’s economy was their last topic. The guest has been there a number of times and is impressed with their can-do spirit. He said China is how a dynamic society “looks and feels.” There is a sense of possibility there and a mentality toward economic growth. Bob sounded like he wasn’t buying it and asked if it was fair to compare China to the US. The guest shot back that China has beaten all the emerging countries and “I think we can learn…”

At this point the “P” word was mentioned, “pollution.” Bob said, “I see a lot of them wearing masks because they can’t breathe the air ---.”

No answer from the guest. Did he hang up or was he accidentally cut off? Inquiring minds want to know. In any event, that was the end of the interview.


Honey here:  Thank you so much for that interesting summary, FrankJ.   Here is the audio of the "hang-up".....scroll forward to 8 minutes to hear it - everyone can draw their own conclusions.  Here is dRahme's clip that contains the guest apparently hanging up the phone

My conclusion is that Professor Tyler did not like to be disagreed with while singing the praises of China and bringing their economics to America. 

HONEY'S JUST FOR FUN BYLINE:  This was another flight for Multi-Millionaire's aboard the Starship Moneytalk today.  Every week several multi-millionaire's need Brinker's advice. Today  there were three: 
**Al in Wisconsin with $8 million 
**Paul in Santa Cruz with $4 million (not my son-in-law, darn it)  
**Joe in Columbus with $3.3 million. 
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72 comments:

Biker said...

Re: Withdrawal of Roth IRA contributions prior to age 59-1/2.

Regular Roth IRA Contributions can be withdrawn at any time with no tax and no penalty.

There can be some tax consequences to taking distributions of conversions and earnings prior to age 59-1/2 or before the Roth has been held for a minimum of five years. For specific ordering rules and tax consequences for Roth IRA distributions, see:

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Roth_IRA

burt said...

Not think too well of Buffet? I started with $11,000 now have $50,000 with him.
I have lost money with Brinker's recommendations.

Honeybee said...

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Burt...I didn't say he didn't know investing. I'm talking about Brinker putting him on a political pedestal.

Bluce said...

LOL @ another caller with a net worth of over $10m, but "needs" advice from Bobby.

Bluce said...

Honey: I just saw your last post -- yes, interesting comments. (Liberal) Bob propping up (liberal) Warren Bee?

Say it ain't so!

Jerrod Clarkson said...

RETURN of THE MILLIONAIRE


Hi Bob,

John Beresford Tipton here. Long-time listener - first time caller.

Bob, I have a very vexing problem. For many years I have been giving away $1,000,000 every week to folks. Bob, my program has been off network television for many years and even though I have continued my gifts every week, I find I still have "millions of millions". I am getting long in the tooth age-wise and want to insure that when I am gone my millions are also gone. Bob, what do you suggest?

------------------------------------------

P.S.:

Anyone here old enough (besides myself) who watched the original TV series The Millionaire? I loved that show!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millionaire_(TV_series)


JC

Anonymous said...

Sounded like Tyler did NOT like brinks question on wearing a mask in china because of smog. HUNG UP!!!

BFC

gabe said...
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Anonymous said...

I'm ticked at Buffet, not because of his politics but because he is divesting probably at a loss his stake by at least 1/3rd in IBM costing me $5/shr on my IBM holding last week.

Just don't get on HB's bad side when it comes to politics ya might get stung.

My bad side is when you impact my money.

Someone here in last thread I think said leave politics aside when it comes to investing. I made a big error going light on equities from '96 to about 1998 and missed a lot of equity runup just because I thought Bill Clinton's policies would be bad for the market. Turned out not to be so. I sat there and it was not fun seeing equities run. Then came the Asian contagion in about 1998 and then I could enjoy again as markets threw a hissy fit on the way back down.

"Show me the money", is all I care about as I grumble politically but hold my equity positions (lesson learned) till I see something impinging growth or outlook for growth or whatever metric I am watching flashes caution.

It ain't easy getting rich or keeping your wealth without diligence and effort.

smile

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Re: Roth IRA Withdrawal Rules

Perhaps just a personal preference, but I think this article is more comprehensive, yet easier to understand:

http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/investing/retirement_and_planning/understanding_iras/roth_ira/withdrawal_rules


JC

Jim said...

When Warren Buffett talks politics it's so ridiculous I have to wonder sometimes if he's really being serious about what he's saying or if he's saying things simply to keep the liberal media off his back.

It sounded today like the candidate Brinker preferred won the French election. I guess Macron is more of an establishment Globalist which seems to be the kind Brinker likes. With all the talk about Russia trying to influence our elections I find it interesting that just a couple of days ago Obama publicly endorses Macron to try and influence the French election. Hypocrisy?

Honeybee said...

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BFC...Yes, first time ever that I heard a guest just hang up on Brinker. I guess he took offense that Brinker didn't agree with him about the wonder's of China compared to the US - which he clearly holds in contempt.

When Brinker pointed out that he had seen some Chinese wearing masks so they could breathe the line went dead - and it was clearly unbeknownst to Brinker. I replayed the tape a couple of times.

Anonymous said...

Tyler Cowen had excellent take on U.S. economic malaise. I think Bob was frustrated that the guy wouldn't bash tax cuts vis-a-vis bad Trump governance. In fact, the economist described investment in infrastructure, lower regulated markets, and a stronger push for higher growth rates as being attractive. We need more investments within R&D and leadership that instills motivation within the productive class to forge ahead for a brighter future. The education system needs an overhaul. To expensive given the poor results. Status quo DC solutions per political cronyism just not up to the task. We have hit a ditch in creativity to solve societal solutions such as poverty, education, welfare, jobless benefits, and just about all solutions inherited by Great Society politics that seem to be unshakeable and structured to perpetual cost increases with poor results. We need to maximize the abilities of inventors and create more clever solutions. More risk and less government interference. Quintessential Americanism can do mentality that believes in self sufficiency and not with government free money. I think the political class has been able to stagnate the country economics by crushing any movement to reinvent the system. A system that works mainly to keep themselves fat, popular, and wealthy.

Bob (not THAT Bob!) said...

Honeybee,

Is there any possibility that the caller's cell dropped out and/or there were technical problems aboard the star-ship?

Bluce said...

Gabe: Thank you for your humbling comments. I hesitated last night over sending a post here, and we're probably all better off that it did NOT get sent.

Oh well, such is political commentary! (which I know Honey would rather keep out of this blog, which is probably why I didn't send it).

Smile wrote: It ain't easy getting rich or keeping your wealth without diligence and effort.

Actually, it is easy, in the long term: Just buy a total market index, holding thousands of stocks, and let 'er run. Ignore the political and market porn, which we are flooded with every day.

Honeybee said...

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Anonymous...please sign your posts or set up an account to post with.

I censor most posts that come in with nothing identifying in them from the sender.

gabe said...

I agree with caller who said that owning rentals was not as good an investment as in the past because of the quality of the tenants.

Gabe

Honeybee said...

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Sure not That bob....anything is possible. I have a clip from dRahme that I will post in the summary - and everyone can decide for themselves.

Brinker usually mentions when there is a problem with the phone line.

gabe said...

Bluce: The post you are probably referring to is not mine and was since deleted.

Thanks.

Gabe

Bob (not THAT Bob!) said...

Bob's crack engineering staff are currently running telco and transmitter diagnostics.

"Sorry for the interruption. We will be right back."

http://www.radiomarine.org/idbfiles/0000/1517/wer0103.jpeg



HMS said...

It makes no sense that the guest would have hung up on Brinker especially for the supposed reasons given here. First of all the guest first brought up the topic of high pollution not /Bob. Also it is a fact that many Chinese wear masks because of the high levels of pollution in many cities there. That is a well known fact that I assume the knowledgeable guest knew and would hardly be offended by. Lastly there was no customary hang up sound that Brinker would be prepared for to censor. It seems that a technical drop out, likely on the guest's end, was the culprit. Being so close to the end of the show I suspect it was of little significance to Brinker. I have heard Brinker be much harder on guests without any abruptly leaving.

Anonymous said...

Schwab has a neat little portfolio checkup feature, even allows inclusion of investments outside of Schwab holdings. So I entered my outside investments and included Schwab assets in the analysis, you pick the asset allocation you want as comparison and let er rip.

The analysis showed I had some mutual funds and equities which kicked off the quality caution signal. I look em up and one was FB which my cost basis is about 19 and change they have rated a D and a couple of two star Morningstar rated funds like TWEGX which they say is inferior to TWIEX a three star rated fund. Not so if you use Market Watch fund comparison which adjusts for Dividends and CapGains distributions

Bottom line is I like the asset allocation overview provided by the Schwab portfolio check, provides a great overview and I will dig further for non performers but I am taking the analysis of some funds and stocks as "requires more analysis" based on my personal performance. I'm thinking maybe for the mutual fund comparison maybe they may not be adjusting for dividends and cap gains distributions which seems crazy if this is true.

Using the performance checkup feature of Schwab my assets beat every base index (S&P 500, Russell 2000 etc.), also their Aggressive Benchmark except for something I do not follow the MSCI EAFE (TRN) for the short time period of analysis.

Ain't easy getting rich... oh wait maybe it is LOL. Kidding of course lots of stumbling blocks dip buying, selling when too much pain at bottom a fatal error many have succumbed to, and knowledge gaps to overcome for the uninitiated - impossible. Bogle buy efficient index funds and hold maybe the exception.

smile

Unknown said...

Really surprised Bob did not know you could take contributions tax and penalty free from a Roth IRA. He kept telling the caller there would be a 10% penalty even when the caller clarified again it was a Roth. Really basic knowledge for an investment professional. I turned him off for the day after that one.

Trees said...

Sorry for the anonymous. I Didn't want the Google Account name and will try the Name/URL.

Tyler's point on China was the country is full of opportunity to increase standard of living. "They have a special sauce" that motivates citizenry. Bob said unfair since the country is more 3rd world economics, cough cough. But, that is a cop out ignorant viewpoint often espoused. It implies one needs to pollute to make more money. Just the opposite is true. More wealth can be created if we have a fully engaged a system to make money solving problems. Tyler's point on Iphones and restaurant increasing demand is we have a country looking for entertainment and easy. So, what is this magic juice to instill vigor within our inventor class? It would be a government that optimises the open market. To maximise good consumer info. To enable easy as pie, going into business and obtaining financing. We should make the cost and risk to enter business minimal and encourage side business. We should teach and bestow the virtues of commerce. Every kid coming out of school better have practice the art of inventing a business and be graded on results. Same for finance and investing. We really do need to maximize the private sector solutions and utilize government as an adjunct (catalyst) or competitor to similar services. USPS has a little competition, nowadays, to make themselves better, but mail delivery should be the other way around. Meaning USPS should operate only to push private sector solutions to higher competition if only USPS could do so. Some cities have utilize private sector business for services. This makes a ton of sense, but the action cuts to the quick per politics of central control virtue loving populace.

Trees said...

A millionaire caller asked what to do with his fortune as he didn't need the money at 78 years of age. That was a quick quip that most probably didn't hear. Bob suggested he had to rebalance his portfolio to 50/50. Really? At that age what is he going to do with more money? The poor guy is risking death, not running out of money. Have some fun and bet on the Kentucky Derby with mint julep in hand is better advice.

Anonymous said...

Honeybee - I feel your pain.
Paul (not your son-in-law)

Anonymous said...

rasputin here. HB no offense intended. But, how does impy get so many posts thru?

Honeybee said...

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Ras....I have no idea what you are complaining about. I don't even see any posts by "impy" unless you know something for a fact that I don't know.

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Honeybee,

Have I been promoted? I feel a bit uncomfortable asking this - but will there be a commensurate increase in pay? ;-)

JC

Honeybee said...

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Jerrod...Yes, you will get the same increase all BRT members get....

The amount is classified so you will have to ask them about it. :)

birdbrain said...

Reading Honey's recent summaries there seems to be an increase of high-end wealthy investors seeking Mr B's advice. Just as C-SPAN's morning call in show has separate lines for Republicans/Democrats/Others the time may be right to add another number for the Sunday questions. The regular line for the hoi polloi along with 1-800-1PERCENT. Access to this exclusive number would involve some light screening and answering in the affirmative.

"Hello, Moneytalk. Have you reached critical mass?"

"Are you willing to disclose your net worth?"

"Will you credit Bob Brinker for your investment success?"

"Please hold."

Billy said...

A note on Brinker's politics.

Long ago, Brinker cut loose on what he thought of unions. Nothing left wing about that part of his philosophy - a bit like a lib who's been mugged. He reminisced about his early days in radio where he could not touch a control knob because everything, no matter how simple, was a union job. He also criticized unions who deliberately damage their employers. Having said that, I thought he could not bring himself to say one word of criticism about the last administration. I wondered whether some of it was fear that libs would call him racist. A justifiable fear as many of us have found.

gabe said...

The Market perked up in the final minutes!

Gabe

frankj said...

Bob waxed on about changes to the tax laws yesterday. He mentioned the possibility that state income taxes may no longer be deductible. He named the states where there is no state income tax and said the loss of this deduction would not matter to residents of those states.

Not so fast, Mr. Brinker. For years now, residents of those states have been able to deduct what they pay in SALES tax on Schedule A. You don't have to keep every register receipt, although you can if you wish. Tax prep software estimates what you might have paid in sales tax based on your income. And "big ticket" items like cars go in on top of that. Let's see if he corrects himself on this in an upcoming show.

Bob lives in Nevada where there is no state income tax, but the sales tax base rate is 6.85% and local areas can add to it. It is as high as 8.1% in some places, so Bob, look at your Schedule A!

Anonymous said...

rasputin here! But doll if they're​ deleted they're getting through.

Biker said...

frankj: For the past several weeks I have been thinking the same thing. While I have relocated from Washington to a state with a modest state income tax, I have still usually only deducted state SALES and local PROPERTY taxes on Schedule A. However, it will be a mute point for many middle class families if the standard deduction actually gets increased so that a married couple won’t pay any taxes on the first $24,000 of income. Fortunately I no longer need to pay any mortgage interest and its hard to conceive of charitable donations and state/local taxes ever adding up to a sum worthy of itemizing in such a scenario.

Honeybee said...

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Bluce....I decided it was way past time to end that argument. You both had your say.

Bluce said...

Honey: Okay, I was thinking that might be it. No prob.

gabe said...

Given the number of callers who describe themselves as millionaires requesting advice, I do believe that Bob has a large following of those folks who apparently trust his advice and judgement.

Gabe

Honeybee said...

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Ras....I don't want to give the pathetic creature who plays games (I guess he thinks he's funny) with other people's handles know a lot about what my options are.

But I do not want to explain it just in case I give him some info he doesn't have.

All I will say is once in a while he gets them through.

gabe said...

AAPL and Yhoo did well today!

Gabe

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Does THAT Bob remain a Gundlachian? Does he still worship at the Altar of Jeffrey? If so, I wonder how Bobby will process and react to this:


Gundlach makes bearish call on stock market as S&P 500, Nasdaq hit records

The DoubleLine founder says short SPY, buy EEM with a dollop of leverage

Published: May 9, 2017 4:16 p.m. ET

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gundlach-makes-bearish-call-on-stock-market-as-sp-500-nasdaq-hit-records-2017-05-08?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo


JC

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Hmmm...

Looks like Marketwatch (and other purveyors of bidness "news") may have mischaracterized what Gundlach actually said and meant at the Sohn Conference.

Here is a quite different view from the very reliable Joshua Brown, CEO of Ritholtz Wealth Management:

https://goo.gl/8JBjcn

JC

Bluce said...

Jerrod: I couldn't make any sense of your second link about Gundlach. It just read like a bunch of jibberish.

So is Gundlach a market timer or not?

Kilgore Trout said...

Bob said the unemployment number is 4.4%.
According to FOXNews it's really around 42%.

It's worth noting useful economic statistics such as the one reported today, the job openings numbers. This is a count of how many jobs out there employers are trying to fill. That number came in at 5.7 million, not far off the record of 5.9 million last summer. Which is great, of course. Lots of people trying to hire more labour, not that much labour around to be hired therefore wages are going to start rising strongly.

gabe said...

A mixed Market!

Gabe

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Bluce,

The second article was somewhat confusing, In hindsight, I probably should have only included this passage quoting what Gundlach suggested:

“Let’s go long the EEM ETF, let’s go short the S&P 500 ETF, and let’s leverage it one time” as a pairs trade.

In other words, Gundlach is NOT suggesting people completely dump the S&P, rather he is suggesting a "Pairs Trade."


Pairs Trade definition from Encyclopedia:
The strategy of matching a long position with a short position in two stocks of the same sector. This creates a hedge against the sector and the overall market that the two stocks are in. The hedge created is essentially a bet that you are placing on the two stocks; the stock you are long in versus the stock you are short in.

BREAKING DOWN 'Pairs Trade'
It's the ultimate strategy for stock pickers, because stock picking is all that counts. What the actual market does won't matter (much). If the market or the sector moves in one direction or the other, the gain on the long stock is offset by a loss on the short.


JC

Moe Howard said...

Jerrod,

Thanks for the link, I like to listen to different view points. I always listen to Gundlach but he (like all the others) are not a messiah. IMHO, you listen to a group of people and pick up small nuggets as you go along. And I do still read BB market timer, just not at $185 a year.

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Honeybee,

Did you receive a post from me (answering a question Bluce asked?

JC

Mad as HELL! said...

Anyone heard from Piggie Pile?

https://youtu.be/4lupWg5TW9g

Jerrod Clarkson said...

Gundlach started his Twitter feed only 2 days ago.

Is it me or is he channeling President Trump's Twitter style?

https://twitter.com/TruthGundlach

JC

Bluce said...

MAD: LOL @ Piggy Pile. I wonder if our Beloved Bacon Boy invented it, and we haven't seen him lately cuz he's hunkered down counting all the profits as they roll in?

There's a similar game whose name escapes me, only it has square sticks (instead of little piggies) that you try to stack up. It's great fun with a bunch of friends and plenty of wine, of course.

frankj said...

Hedge strategies... reminds me, I need to trim mine.

gabe said...
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Jerrod Clarkson said...

Many Broadline and Apparel retailers continued the bleeding today. I think most will close their doors by 2020.

These two might survive into the next decade. The rest will be toast.

- Walmart
- Costco

I wonder how (or if) the vacant real estate will be utilized? Mall owner/operators/REITs aren't looking very sweet lately - SPG for example:

http://schrts.co/F93Fn0

The situation is going to get quite ugly in my opinion.

JC

gabe said...

Jerrod: Amazon as well! My understanding is that are in some brick and mortar cities.

Gabe

frankj said...

REITS can be tricky. It's about the properties they own and the financial stability of the tenants. Gotta look beyond the yield and look behind the curtain.

Pig said...

Bluce said...

I wonder if our Beloved Bacon Boy invented it, and we haven't seen him lately cuz he's hunkered down counting all the profits as they roll in?

I've been avoiding the internet and protesting it since I found out that President Trump gets 2 scoops of ice cream. I'm so proud of FAKECNN for reporting that in a special report. I hope Congress appoints a Special Counsel or Independent Prosecutor to look into such un-American and dangerous behavior. I'm certain Putin makes him do it.

Unknown said...

Hi fellow trekkies. Victor here. I communicated with Mr. Tyler Cowen, Professor of Economics at GMU. He assured me that he was cut off during the interview with Bob. The timing was just coincidental. I believe him. He was very disappointed that some people thought that he ended the interview abruptly.

gabe said...

Positive investment news....poor market performance!

Gabe

Jerrod Clarkson said...

frankj said..

REITS can be tricky. It's about the properties they own and the financial stability of the tenants. Gotta look beyond the yield and look behind the curtain.


Frankj,

You make a great point. However, within the Financial Sector and REIT Industry, Retail REITS as a group are currently down -23.63% over the past year.

One of the better run Retail REIT companies (in my opinion) is Simon Property (SPG), who I mentioned yesterday. They performed better than the Retail REIT group as a whole, but not by much. SPG is down -20.13% over the past year.

Getting back to retailers, many of the majors were down again today. JCP was down -13.99%. And, retailers will soon be placing their orders for Christmas. I very much doubt that it will be a "Merry Christmas" for any major department store chains.

On the other hand, Santa Claus and his elves will most likely come bearing many, many presents for Jeff Bezos this Christmas.

There is no denying the man is a genius...but I wonder at what economic and societal cost?

CHART:

$DJUSRL Volume exploding to the downside since 4/21/17:

http://schrts.co/gmcbf3


JC

Honeybee said...

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Victor Ivanoff....Thank you for your note. So you are saying that Mr. Cowen told you that his line was cut off and he did not hang up om Bob Brinker?

Bluce said...

BBB: LOL @ the ice cream (non) event. My minions have told me that Obama used to take THREE scoops. How come we never heard about that?

JC, Frank, etc. regarding REITS: I have about 5% in Schwab's REIT ETF, SCHH. I've held it for over 3 years, mostly for diversification reasons. It's returned about 8.4% annualized since then.

Some (including Schwab) classify REITs as small caps, others classify them as a separate asset class. Ha, who knows? Some (like Bogle) say that you don't need to hold foreign stocks. Others say you should have 5, 10, 20% in foreign stocks.

It's all a crapshoot. I allocate as to what makes me comfortable, but staying somewhere between the extremes.

Retailers vs. online shopping: I can't see how stores will ever be too much out of favor. Shopping IRL can be enjoyable -- even for some of us men, lol. Sure, I buy stuff from Amazon (had an account since 1997) but there's no way it replaces going out and seeing and interacting with other people, stopping for lunch, washing the Corvette, rifling through merchandise, cursing at Walmart's because they never have enough cashiers, etc.

frankj said...

REITs used to be classed in with financials. In Sept 2016 the powers-that-be who establish sectors decided to break them out on their own making Real Estate its own sector. This reshuffling didn't create any big dip or bump in prices of REIT funds that I could see. Real Estate comprises 3.83% of the value of VTI, one of Bob's often recommended ETFs and reflective of the entire US stock market. REITs often pay an attractive yield, but the dividends DON'T get the favorable tax treatment so put them in a Roth-IRA or a Traditional. Roth is preferable.

Vanguard offers VGSLX which are Admiral shares. Down -0.32 on the year. As an index it holds the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. SCHH was the choice for a non-profit I work with. It is down -2.17% YTD. Personally I like individual REIT stocks vs. REIT index funds because I can screen out the REITs that are in areas where I don't want to be.

You have to look behind the curtain on REITS. Don't get dismayed by high P/E ratios. That's not how you measure value on REITs. A ratio of price and Adjusted Funds from Operations is used. See elsewhere for why this is. Peeling away the onion layers, there are healthcare REITs for example, and within this category there are ones that own medical facilities like DOC and ones that own skilled nursing care facilities like OHI.

Then there are ones like Tanger Factory Outlets .. what they own is obvious. And Digital Realty Trust which owns and operates data centers. So there is a lot of specialization in REITs: malls, student housing, fast food restaurants, grocery stores, just about anything you can think of that involves something that sits on real estate.

A triple net REIT is favorable in my opinion. This is one where the tenant pays the property taxes, the maintenance and something else, I forget. Also, there are internally managed and externally managed REITs. Internally managed are more favorable in my opinion also because the REIT organization is directly involved and has not outsourced the management at additional costs.

If you want a college course on REITs, go to SeekingAlpha.Com and read Brad Thomas. He is an expert on the subject. You're not looking for stock tips, you're availing yourself of the knowledge he brings to the website in analyzing individual REITs. REITs are considered very interest rate sensitive -- witness the dip in 2013 when the FED burped up something about raising rates. This is counter-intuitive though. If the FED is going to raise rates it is an indication that the overall economy is doing better. If the economy is doing better then chances are the individual REIT has some pricing power to raise lease rates when leases roll over.

One last word: we may be over the hump now as far as "financial advisors" telling their clients to invest in Non-publicly traded REITs. But things have a way of coming around again. So if your advisor suggests such an investment, pick up your briefcase of purse, stand up and say "You're Fired." These non-public REITs pay big commissions, are illiquid and have no price transparency.

Thanks for reading, if you think this was worthwhile, let me know.

Unknown said...

Yes. That is correct Honeybee. Professor Cowen said that he was cut off and he did not hang up on Bob Brinker. - Victor Ivanoff

gabe said...

Personally, I say away from REIT'S . Vanguard's REIT Fund...an index fund, 10 year return in 5% compared to The Total Stock Market of 6%.

I agree with Bob who had suggested that one can look at one's own personal residence in place of a REIT holding. In the past, I have had rental real estate investments but decided to sell out because being a landlord in not my cup of tea. Over the years I made a profit with these things but it is too time consuming. I still own individual commercial real estate holdings which I intend to stay with under management in which i pay a commission.

Horse Racing partnership ownership is profitable with tax advantages and a better way to go as a specialty holding.

Just may take.

Gabe

Honeybee said...

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DON'T WASTE MY TIME WITH IT ANYMORE.

Moe Howard said...

Frankj,
Interesting post on REIT. I have to agree with you on Financial advisors offering Non traded REITS. I was burned in the 80s on this was surprised they are making a comeback. I think people are so desperate to get a higher yield on their fixed portion they consider "alternatives". If you want safety and security for your fixed portion of your portfolio, then the yields are low. IMHO, it doesn't matter what the return of fixed portion is, it's there in case the market goes down.

frankj said...

Moe: I can't say if they're coming around again. I hope not for the sake of investors who rely on their advisors for unbiased advice. There's something called "Rich Uncle" that did a lot of radio advertising recently. I look at their website. They seemed to be marketing direct to investors, i.e., no financial advisor in the middle.

I work with an advisor who advises our non-profit's endowment. He told me that some years back, sales reps for these would come to his office touting 6% fixed income returns and generous commissions for him. He said he never considered it and politely showed them the door.

I have a relative who had some. The advisor made very nice commissions. A few of these worked out, but I think it was dumb luck. The REIT liquidated OK and another one got bought by publicly traded W.P. Carey (WPC). But, there are two remaining in the account that are what the WSJ called "zombie reits." They go on and on, no liquidation, no buyout, little information, no market for the shares (units) other than vulture capitalists offering tiny amounts for shares.

There are law firms that offer services to help people recover lost money. The hurdle is, you have to have been harmed materially. Like your "investment" was completely inappropriate given your net worth and the REIT investment constituted a significant percent of your investments. I'm not crazy about plaintiff's lawyers in general but if they can take a bite out of these slick operators and recover something for someone who got hosed, then OK.

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gabe said...

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!

Gabe

gabe said...

JC: Roughly net return......6'5%. It varies. Some years...negative net.


Gabe